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After Beijing sends a frigate to the Med, a leading author poses a chilling question...
The Daily Mail, UK ^ | 5th March 2011 | Ian Morris

Posted on 03/06/2011 6:55:48 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

After Beijing sends a frigate to the Med, a leading author poses a chilling question... How long until a Chinese aircraft carrier sails up the Thames?

By Ian Morris

Almost 600 years have passed since Chinese warships last cruised the coasts of Africa. But now they are back. In 1418, China’s Ming dynasty sent its eunuch admiral Zheng He into the Indian Ocean at the head of the largest armada the world had ever seen.

Sweeping aside all opposition, Zheng suppressed pirates, extorted payoffs from princes and sent missions as far as Kenya and Arabia.

And then, as suddenly as they had come, the Chinese warships disappeared.

They returned in 2008. Once again Somali pirates were robbing at will in the Gulf of Aden, and once again a Chinese navy wanted to stop them.

But history never repeats itself exactly. The Chinese knew almost nothing about Africa in 1418; now China is Africa’s biggest trading partner. Hundreds of thousands of Chinese work there, in everything from oil and iron to farming and finance.

Last month, Beijing took another step beyond anything that happened 600 years ago.

With Libya teetering on the brink of civil war, it ordered the 4,000-ton frigate Xuzhou through the Suez Canal to cover the escape of 30,000 Chinese workers. For the first time in history, a Chinese warship sailed on the Mediterranean Sea.

But the Xuzhou’s mission is not just humanitarian. If democratic governments rise out of the ashes of Middle Eastern autocracy, they are unlikely to be very pro-Western.

They will be looking for new friends;

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: china; plan; rn; uk
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Too close for comfort? The Chinese frigate Xuzhou, which was on patrol in the Mediterranean last month, but its mission was not purely humanitarian

Who rules the waves? Britain is planning to build two new aircraft carriers to replace the two it currently has

1 posted on 03/06/2011 6:55:55 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
How long until a Chinese aircraft carrier sails up the Thames?

Not long at all, by historical standards.

Red China is an aggressive and wealthy totalitarian state --- indeed, it is buying a port right here in the U.S.

2 posted on 03/06/2011 7:13:41 AM PST by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander

My nephew lives in Red China and he loves it. He works for some world class water show as a rescue diver.


3 posted on 03/06/2011 7:16:07 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Yeah, but they’ll be moving it with oars unless Obama sells them some more of our technology for a campaign donation.


4 posted on 03/06/2011 7:21:00 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki
There was a time when the British Navy ruled the seas, but then Teddy Roosevelt took the Great White Fleet on a world tour. The Brits by then were just trying to keep their Grand Fleet up to snuff with the Germans.

I wonder when the Chinese will make their "Great Yellow Fleet" show of force?

5 posted on 03/06/2011 7:31:31 AM PST by Big Bronson
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Maybe the lesson for we Western nations is to move ahead to new technologies and not to try to match the PRC in recreating the Cold War.


6 posted on 03/06/2011 7:34:54 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon
the lesson for we Western nations is to move ahead to new technologies

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7 posted on 03/06/2011 7:40:29 AM PST by Big Bronson
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To: sukhoi-30mki

China is colonizing Africa. They will use Africa’s oil, mineral, agricultural, and human resources to their own benefit. A strong blue water navy is needed, they think, to protect their interests. Who is surprised?


8 posted on 03/06/2011 7:42:51 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Yeah. Isn’t that what they are supposed to do?


9 posted on 03/06/2011 8:08:35 AM PST by null and void (We are now in day 775 of our national holiday from reality. - tic. tic. tic. It's almost 3 AM)
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To: eyedigress

That totally AWESOME water show is however, in Macaou not “Red” China, where for the time being, as in Hong Kong, there remain remarkably more individual freedoms than in China itself.
The borders between China and those dependencies are actually more highly regulated than those of any western European nation, or the USA.


10 posted on 03/06/2011 8:17:34 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: sukhoi-30mki

European/Western colonialism is virtually dead; Chinese colonialism is alive and well. =.=


11 posted on 03/06/2011 8:21:13 AM PST by cranked
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To: Former Proud Canadian
China is colonizing Africa.

Good. I hope they do a better job than we westerners did.

12 posted on 03/06/2011 8:22:33 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Who rules the waves? Britain is planning to build two new aircraft carriers to replace the two it currently has

Britain no longer has aircraft carriers. Let alone two.

Ark Royal, the last of Britain's fixed-wing capable light carriers, is gone.

The RN has Illustrious, but she is only capable of being used as a helicopter assault ship (LPH) since the Harriers are gone as well (admittedly, the RN's light carriers are capable of, and have recently, embarking the Harriers of other nation's. Like the US Marines').

The RN also has Ocean, which is their purpose-built LPH.
13 posted on 03/06/2011 8:27:25 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Thoughout most of recorded history, the world has seen many nations rise above others to lead the way.
We had a great run, but I'm afraid we have no staying power (no pun intended) and lack the will and discipline to reverse the slide into increasing excessive self-indulgence and debt.
We soon be handing the baton over to the new kid on the block - who just also happens to own quite a bit of our debt and supplies us with almost all the goodies we can't seem to live without, so my advise is be nice to him.
Who's your daddy? China, that's who...
14 posted on 03/06/2011 8:35:54 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat
Who's your daddy? China, that's who...

China's going to have a LOT of difficulty developing a global power-projection capability. The US is blessed with facing both the Atlantic and the Pacific. Putting a frigate into the Med is probably a real stretch for China right now, and developing a capability to not only get more significant military resources there (or even further, like the Atlantic) is going to take decades and an incredible amount of resources to develop.
15 posted on 03/06/2011 9:04:54 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Thanks, My nephew wants me to come visit but time is lacking. You are 100% correct on the location. I appreciate the vast knowledge of FReeperdom.


16 posted on 03/06/2011 9:10:55 AM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

For all you non Naval readers, it is called “Command of the Sea”. As England declines, and the US stands at ease with no leadership, the ChiComs step up to the plate.

When they have effective command of the Pacific, and the US cannot insure that our imports get thru, ...... You can finish the sentence.


17 posted on 03/06/2011 9:15:52 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This is not the 1600’s so why in hell is it chilling. Pure nonsense! !!


18 posted on 03/06/2011 9:40:07 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
What's the most likely scenario for the UK? The Muslims take over or the Chinese fight the Muslims to take over the UK?

Either way the stupid “elites” will hope to back the winner so they can keep “theirs”. Stupid elites — whoever wins will either behead you or put a bullet in your head. That's how Muslims and Chicoms operate.

19 posted on 03/06/2011 9:46:53 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
China will build some elements of a blue water navy and send them out on tour for show, but she is not well-positioned geographically or politically to be a global naval power. China's access to the ocean is limited and can be impeded by regional adversaries able to deploy cheap, modern ship killing weapons.

Moreover, China suffers from substantial demographic, economic, and political problems that she seems unable to resolve or even address in a credible manner. A decade or two from now, China's stagnation will be an accepted fact -- and if we do things right -- the US will be starting a new era of strength and prosperity as the global superpower.

20 posted on 03/06/2011 9:53:48 AM PST by Rockingham
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