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Illinois Officials Spar Over Order to Make List of Gun Owners Public
Fox News ^ | 03/02/2011 | Fox News

Posted on 03/02/2011 3:32:54 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour

In a showdown over the privacy rights of gun owners, the Illinois State Police are refusing to release a list identifying all firearm permit holders in the state after Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan determined that the information "must" be made public.

The dispute, which soon could come before a judge, has been building since last fall when a reporter for The Associated Press made a Freedom of Information Act request to the police for the names of cardholders as well as information about the weapons each permit holder is authorized to carry.

But the state police, who safeguard that information, resisted as lawmakers and others raised privacy concerns. Critics questioned what public interest it would serve to let neighbors look up each other's potential weapons cache -- further, they warned that publicizing the information could put both gun owners and those who don't own guns at risk.

If the state publishes a list of gun owners, Republican Rep. Ron Stephens said, "You are by design also publishing a list of everyone who doesn't" carry a firearm.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; foid; illinois; lisamadigan; madigan
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1 posted on 03/02/2011 3:32:55 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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The police had argued that they should not have to release the records because of an exemption for "information that would endanger the life or physical safety of law enforcement personnel or any other person."

Don't think for a minute the cops have sided with the public, they are worried about the names of the cops and no one else...

2 posted on 03/02/2011 3:33:49 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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I would like to see a list of all the patients that doctors treat - also, licensed by the state - and what they were treated for...


3 posted on 03/02/2011 3:35:02 PM PST by Paisan
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
"...they are worried about the names of the cops..."

I was thinking about that too. Illinois is a cesspit.

There could be all sorts of boating accidents reported if the list is about to go worldwide.

4 posted on 03/02/2011 3:37:30 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The release of that list is intended to be punitive.

If the Left forces the release, I suggest the right make a list of the public officials who don’t have gun permits, and publish that as well.

We’ll see how they like being pinpointed for being defenseless.


5 posted on 03/02/2011 3:40:02 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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Until the list was completely blocked from publication, Texas had an interesting compromise for concealed handgun license holders:

No one could obtain a list of license holders, except those that were certified instructors and agreed to publicize their names (for marketing purposes)

But, anyone could ask the DPS if a specific, named, person had a CHL. The DPS would respond with a yes or no answer. But, they would also notify the named person that the query had been made, and identify the person that make the query.

Publicizing the entire list is nothing more than pursuit of a political agenda. The goal is to marginalize gun owners from society, and discourage people from applying for the license.

Everything else is just rationalization.

6 posted on 03/02/2011 3:40:09 PM PST by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

There is no “must” about it. This is a naked power play, intent upon smoking out the previously undisclosed permits held by some pretty big movers and shakers within Chicago, which is supposedly a “gun-free” zone. Now, since just about all the movers and shakers in Chicago are in some way required to play ball with the Chicago Democrat machine, this is a snipe from the sidelines by someone wanting to upset the delicate balance of power within that uneasy coalition that forms the “one-party” rule in Chicago and environs.

Be careful what can of worms you open.


7 posted on 03/02/2011 3:40:11 PM PST by alloysteel ("If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers.")
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I say we take off, and nuke Chicago from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.


8 posted on 03/02/2011 3:44:48 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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If the state publishes a list of gun owners, Republican Rep. Ron Stephens said, "You are by design also publishing a list of everyone who doesn't" carry a firearm.

They would also be printing a list of names which could easily be "looked up" by savvy burglars. Electronics, jewelry and guns - a fiesta of loot that can be printed and checked off, name by name, house by house. Perhaps its just another"entitlement" program - meant to transfer personal possessions to criminals and those who claim they couldn't afford to buy these things.

9 posted on 03/02/2011 3:45:57 PM PST by MamaDearest
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Guns are often very expensive, so this is akin to listing every purchaser of gold coins.


10 posted on 03/02/2011 3:48:55 PM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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I have to run out now and I can’t check but isn’t it illegal for the government to even keep such a list. Isn’t having and maintaining the list an invasion of privacy.


11 posted on 03/02/2011 3:53:32 PM PST by infool7 (Ignorance isn't bliss its slavery in denial)
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Which leads to an interesting thought: What if a gun owner has all his guns stolen shortly after his name is published?

This AG is an ass.


12 posted on 03/02/2011 3:54:42 PM PST by stylin_geek (Never underestimate the power of government to distort markets)
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The cops are also worried about the names of their elderly mothers whose names won't appear ~ thereby signifying that they are not armed and cannot resist burglars and rapists.

It's not that they are concerned for their mothers' safety, but more about their mothers' complaints and nagging should anything happen.

Then there are their ex-wives.

13 posted on 03/02/2011 3:59:33 PM PST by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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Why does the Associated Press want this information in the first place?
14 posted on 03/02/2011 4:01:33 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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How about they list all the personal information of this AG instead?


15 posted on 03/02/2011 4:02:32 PM PST by headstamp 2
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So let’s see.

Publishing a list of everyone who has had an abortion? - Bad.

Publishing a list of everyone who owns a gun? -
Good.

How does that work?

The unintended consequence is that this lowers the protective effect of non owning a gun in a gun loving area. The so-called ‘free rider’. There would be a greater motivation to buy a gun so as to appear on the list.


16 posted on 03/02/2011 4:16:55 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

In the same vein, release, for the sake of public interest & safety, all the criminal records of all the juveniles in IL...


17 posted on 03/02/2011 4:26:02 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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This whole idea is a declaration of war on REAL Americans.

Period.


18 posted on 03/02/2011 4:30:13 PM PST by TruthConquers ( Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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There shouldn’t be a list available. This reminds me of the movie Red Dawn when the commies got the list of gun owners in town and then paid them a visit.


19 posted on 03/02/2011 4:38:28 PM PST by idkfa
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what a gold mine ....for hoods...eh?..a ready made supply of weaponry....you simply steal 'em, use em at a crime scene then leave em there ...viola..instant red herring ya don't even need the wine sauce...


20 posted on 03/02/2011 5:31:14 PM PST by flat
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