McCain Rejects Idea That U.S. Can’t Afford No-Fly Zone in Libya (McCain wants to intervene in Libya)

Fox ^ | 2011-03-02

[rabscuttle385]

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"We are spending over $500 billion dollars, not counting Iraq and Afghanistan, on our nation's defense. Don't tell me we can't do a no fly zone over Tripoli," the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services said at the Atlantic Council Tuesday evening.

"I love the military, I love it, it's been my life, but they always seem to find reasons why you can't do something rather than why you can," Sen. McCain said.

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On Libyan leader Qaddafi, McCain said, "This guy's days are numbered. The question is -- is can we shorten those number of days to save lives, to save people's lives because it's clear he's going to kill whoever he thinks he can in order to stay in power."

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[Buckeye McFrog]

I could support blowing up Kha-Daffy’s planes and choppers on the runway. Would be at minimal cost to our troops. Then it’s up to the rebels to finish the job.

[IMR 4350]

I don’t have a doubt in my mind the objective is to create complete chaos.

The left wing freak show has had that plan for over 40 years as a way to achieve absolute power, and they’re a RCH away from achieving it.

[silverleaf]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-al-qaeda-islamic-emirate-established-in-libya-led-by-former-gitmo-detainee/

If this is only half true, then we are proposing to intervene and use the US military to help a prematurely-released GITMO al Qaeda terrorist to establish a taliban-like regime in Libya

hel-lo, Afghanistan redux anyone?

Seriously boys, in some wars there are no good guys, so don’t pick sides and don’t get into it

Whichever group of Barbary pirates ends up with the keys to the Libyan oil ministry will need income to build a nuke, so they will sell oil to us

[Thermalseeker]

The left wing freak show has had that plan for over 40 years as a way to achieve absolute power....

There's a whole lot of so-called "Republicans" who go along, too. The Dims can't enact their agenda on their own. They have help. Lots, and lots of help. The largest entitlement program since the (not so)Great Society (Medicare Part D) was passed by a majority Republican Congress and signed into law by a Republican POTUS. It now is over budget by about $150 billion/year and climbing. We're accumulating debt at a rate of $6 million/minute yet no one in our gubmint seems all that upset. There are a few who are paying lip service to the issue of our debt, but is anyone really serious? I just don't see it. If your household was bleeding money like that you'd be doing everything you could to stop the bleeding, wouldn't you? These nimrods can't even come up with 2% cuts when the budget has increased by 25% in the past two years!

[IMR 4350]

The middle of the roaders are just as bad if not worse than the radical left in my opinion.

Both will get you to the same place, with the middle of the roaders it just takes longer to get there.

Slicing the bologna is a perfect name for it.

Once you slice a piece off you can't put it back. That then becomes the end you have to measure from to slice another piece off. The bologna just keeps getting smaller and smaller.

[SaraJohnson]

He’s never seen an opportunity for empire dancing and the police state he will reject. He is a menace to the US and the constitution.

I can not believe Arizona put his sick ego back in power! He’s a kneejerker with no brain. Way to go Palin!

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"They didn't attack us? I think you need to study the history leading up to WWII just a wee bit. German U-boats were sinking US flagged merchant vessels who were supporting Great Britain's war effort long before we declared war on Germany."

And yet we didn't declare war when the Rueben James was sunk, did we? Perhaps you need to read up a bit there sea lawyer. Assisting a nation at war with another nation is an act of war, or didn't you know that? According to international law, the Lend Lease program was a commission of war against Nazi Germany.

"Um, the preamble to the Constitution is not law. You need to read a little farther than the preamble, specifically to Article 1, Section 8, Clauses 1 and 11."

Um, the preamble is part of the constitution. It lays out the whole friggin' purpose of the Federal government there sea lawyer. It is law! Perhaps you as a sea lawyer need to read up on the War powers act of 1975, passed by the legislature concerning using armed force in cases of hostility not relating to a declaration of war. Here it is:

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/war-powers.php

Anymore questions, sea lawyer?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

From the story you cite:

"Residents of Derna reportedly deny the claim, arguing the Libyan government is only trying to “scare Europe.”"

Yes it would not be good to see a caliphate set up there, obviously. However, there are people with their own motives who want to scare us into believing this. Even Gadaffi is claiming this is headed up by Al Quaeda in a weak attempt at enlisting the West's support over his enemies. I'll have to see a little more proof than one witness claiming this, don't you agree? It will come out in the next few days. I don't doubt there are elements there, but I see no evidence that the Islamists are the dominant element.

[Thermalseeker]

Um, the preamble is part of the constitution.

The Preamble IS NOT law. The law starts at Article 1, Section 1.

Here it is

You might want to check the date on that law.

Sealawyer

Name calling. A sure sign you have lost the debate......

[Thermalseeker]

The middle of the roaders are just as bad if not worse than the radical left in my opinion.

I call 'em "enablers". They're certainly not "moderates". There's nothing remotely "moderate" about enabling Marxists. They don't know what they believe and most of their decisions are made with a moistened finger thrust skyward in hopes of catching the drift of the political wind. Sickening.

[silverleaf]

I figured you'd question the source but honestly
what other element other than pan islamists have anything remotely capable of assuming an organized form to confront Qadaffi?

In these societies, other than the religionists and the military- what are the "dominant" forces that want to hold power? I don't think Qadaffi sent a lot of students to western universities to study Constitutional law, or his military officers to West Point to study civilian-military roles in a democracy. It's not like the CIA has been supporting a “free libya” group of educated western-leaning dissidents for the past 40 - or 2- years, is it? Who exactly has been groomed to takeover

Any Libyan (or any community organizers in Libya) with military organization and leadership skills probably got them fighting alongside or in training camps run by anti-American/anti-Western bad guys sometime over the past 3 decades. and islamic extremism is the common veneer that holds these guys together

I think Cameron may have backed off his calls for war based on Brit asessment that what may follow Qadaffis ouster is either unknown or will be worse for western interests

and what we should always be willing to send Americans to die for is our own western interests, long term or short term. Not “Libyan revolution”.

[algernonpj]

... Why do the statists in America want Islamic clerical tyranny in the Middle East and North Africa?

The statists / globalists / crony capitalists / fascists who are aggressively pushing us all to a New World Order under which ever aspect of our lives will be regulated by a central authority 'for our own good' have a lot in common with an Islamic theocracy in their goals and methods. They both want us to revert back to the middle ages where the elite get 99.99% of the stuff and the peons who survive scrabble over what's left. IMHO we have been moving into a fascist model in which we we are allowed to retain the illusion of private ownership and freedom.

You might like reading THE POWER ELITE AND THE SECRET NAZI PLAN

[algernonpj]

...Where have you seen that the revolutionaries are Islamists? ...

Per Pamela Geller the Muslim Brotherhood has a hit out on Quaddafi.

Muslim Brotherhood Leader Qaradawi Orders Libyan Leader Gaddafi Killed

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"The Preamble IS NOT law. The law starts at Article 1, Section 1."

Everything in the constitution is law sea lawyer.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"I figured you'd question the source but honestly"

I'm not questioning the source. I'm saying that within the same story it quotes one source saying Islamists are taking over and it quotes another source saying that's not true. The reasoning for the person saying that's not true is legit. Because Gadaffi wants to scare the west. He's doing it in his own interviews saying that the revolutionaries are Al Queada.

Lets remember that all the things you are saying about these revolutionaries could have been said about Iraq's people. They were anti western during Sadaams' reign. They were never trained in our military schools etc... Yet, they wanted democracy and they have democracy. Imperfect though it may be.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Per Pamela Geller the Muslim Brotherhood has a hit out on Quaddafi."

Per the article, the guy is Egyptian and he's current living in Qatar. He's not one of the revolutionaries currently waging war to free Libya.

[algernonpj]

See post # 53 re Muslim Brotherhood hit out on Quaddafi.

[Mashood]

Dear John: There is nobody stopping you from flying to Libya and intervening. Good luck and let us know what happened.

Your Friend,
M

[algernonpj]

"Per Pamela Geller the Muslim Brotherhood has a hit out on Quaddafi."

Per the article, the guy is Egyptian and he's current living in Qatar. He's not one of the revolutionaries currently waging war to free Libya.

From the Jerusalem Post on Yusuf al-Qaradaw: A portrait of Muslim Brotherhood's supreme authority

[algernonpj]

Yusuf al-Qaradaw = Yusuf al-Qaradawi