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We'll use military force to free Libya, vows Brit PM: Cameron
Daily Mail Online ^ | 1st March 2011 | TIM SHIPMAN

Posted on 03/01/2011 10:43:56 AM PST by gandalftb

David Cameron threatened Colonel Gaddafi with military action last night, promising a no-fly zone and arms shipments to his enemies.

In a dramatic move that could define his premiership, the Prime Minister even suggested he could send British troops into Libya as a peacekeeping force to stop Gaddafi’s henchmen massacring democracy campaigners.

At a National Security Council meeting yesterday morning, he ordered military chiefs to draw up plans for the no-fly zone. If Gaddafi turned his air force on the rebels, RAF warplanes would be able to intervene.

In another hard-hitting move, the Pentagon started moving warships in preparation to police a no-fly zone and world leaders imposed a raft of diplomatic and financial sanctions.

‘We must not tolerate this regime using military force against its own people,’ he told MPs. ‘In that context I have asked the Ministry of Defence and the Chief of the Defence Staff to work with our allies on plans for a military no-fly zone. My message to Colonel Gaddafi is simple: go now. We do not in any way rule out the use of military assets.' Asked whether Britain could supply arms to the Libyan opposition, Mr Cameron told MPs: ‘It is certainly something we should be considering.

Britain signed an arms embargo at the weekend preventing further sales of weapons to Libya. But Mr Cameron could justify sending weapons to the rebels using a loophole in the embargo allowing ‘humanitarian’ weapons drops.

France said it would fly aid to the opposition-controlled eastern half of the country.

Britain could deploy up to 59 Eurofighter Typhoons from RAF Coningsby and RAF Leuchars in Scotland. They are expected to fly from RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus, where British ‘eye in the sky’ AWACS aircraft are already stationed.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: libya; noflyzone
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To: gandalftb

Ok, so where is the leader of the free world???

He’s not walking the picket lines in Wisconsin!

He’s not telling Qaddafi to leave ... now!

He’s not looking for ways to cut the budget!

Must be golf day.


41 posted on 03/01/2011 11:22:22 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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To: Thunder90

there is no arrest warrant out for Qadaffi over PanAm 103

There is an arrest warrant out against the so-called “president” of Sudan for being a genocidal thug

oh, wait... Sudan? Too bad all their oil is way far in the south. too much trouble to go to war to stop genocide over that.... Paging George Clooney


42 posted on 03/01/2011 11:22:45 AM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: bassmaner

Yep, this looks like a British lead operation, the US is being pulled into this by the nose.


43 posted on 03/01/2011 11:25:24 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: bassmaner
if anything, he'd (zer0) probably intervene on Qaddafi's side

this could be why France is yelling, No UN mandate, No Go.

44 posted on 03/01/2011 11:28:26 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: gandalftb
Who is organizing and leading the insurgency? It seems to be well organized and they do have sufficient arms for what they have done so far, which is considerable. I keep thinking of the history of these mideast upheavals. They never turn out well for the US and Western nations.There is much not being revealed, IMO.
45 posted on 03/01/2011 11:30:55 AM PST by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: gandalftb
We don't want the new Libya to reorganize in a vacuum...

With respect, that is what we do want. Any involvement to guide this thing will taint any democratic tendencies and legitimize the Islamists. The Libyans need to do this themselves, and they will.

That said, should the Brits request it we'd be honor-bound to help them. I doubt if 0bama feels that way but I do.

46 posted on 03/01/2011 11:34:57 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: gandalftb
David Cameron threatened Colonel Gaddafi with military action last night, promising a no-fly zone and arms shipments to his enemies.

And how do you plan to do that, Dave??

Six years ago the UK could quickly put two light carriers with Sea Harrier FA.2s and Harrier GR.7s into the Gulf of Sidra and be able to conduct a wide range of military operations with a reasonable chance of success (while not supersonic, the FA.2 with its Blue Vixen radar and AMRAAMs was a world-beater in the air-2-air role). AND be able to put a third light carrier into the mix within a short amount of time.

Six months ago the UK could quickly put two light carriers with Harrier GR.9s into the Gulf of Sidra and be able to conduct a limited set of military operations with moderate-high risk (given inability to provide organic air-cover).

Today the Brits are down to one light carrier, one helicopter assault ship/LPH and NO ability to take fixed wing aircraft to sea (because they HAVE NO fixed wing aircraft that can be taken to sea). The Brits can reasonably put their subs into the Gulf of Sidra and pop Tomahawks off at Libya ... but anything more than that would be utterly suicidal.

Unless they are looking at joint operations with the Spanish and Italians, who DO have aircraft carriers and aircraft (radar and AMRAAM-equipped AV-8B Harriers) that provide the capabilities that the Brits have mindlessly tossed away over the last 6 years.
47 posted on 03/01/2011 11:36:21 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: gandalftb

Overthrowing a nation is dangerous and an act of war.


48 posted on 03/01/2011 11:38:16 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: gandalftb

Unfortunately if international intervention is needed, the British have the will-power to intervene militarily but have gutted their armed forces. The U.S. has the armed forces, but Obama lacks the will-power.


49 posted on 03/01/2011 11:39:46 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: ClearCase_guy

I don’t care for the UN one bit. I think its an affront simply to go to them for anything.

That being said Libya’s dictator did attack the United states and great Britain 22+ years ago with a terrorist attack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

Gaddafi murdered 190 of our people, destroyed a British town, and murdered 43 of their subjects.

We are perfectly justified to take this uprising as an opportunity to get rid of this Gaddafi.


50 posted on 03/01/2011 11:49:00 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: CodeToad

So is attacking a nation, Gaddafi has already drawn first blood against both the United States and the United Kingdom 22 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103

We are perfectly justified to take this opportunity help the rebels take down this tyrant. He is a criminal to our people as well.


51 posted on 03/01/2011 11:56:33 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: Paladin2
Libya was apparently a colony of Italy for a few years

During which Mussolini killed 20% of the entire population.

52 posted on 03/01/2011 11:59:39 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Monorprise
Why aren't we attacking North Korea? We can justify attacking Gaddafi and we can justify attacking North Korea (we've been at war with them since 1951).

Just because we "have an opportunity" doesn't mean we should attack a sovereign nation.

53 posted on 03/01/2011 12:01:03 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: Winniesboy
Well then, they should know what to do to pacify the place.

Sounds like it's going to be difficult to stop people from killing people without killing them.

54 posted on 03/01/2011 12:02:52 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

If we take the sides of the rebels as we should, we will hopefully have a say in how this North African country takes shape after this is over.

LOL Naive beyond belief. The rebels are by the very fact the ones who want increased “freedom” to set up an islamic type government that is far more hostile to Israel.

And us. The end result is going to be very very bad and it’s not worth one drop of American blood.


55 posted on 03/01/2011 12:09:44 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Paladin2

Your post brought a smile to my face. ;)


56 posted on 03/01/2011 12:11:19 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Cause Rebels are not activity rebelling against North Korea with a good chance over overthrowing its leadership. Victory is not so comparatively cheap.


57 posted on 03/01/2011 12:13:00 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: bill1952
"LOL Naive beyond belief. The rebels are by the very fact the ones who want increased “freedom” to set up an islamic type government that is far more hostile to Israel."

And you know this for a fact, huh? Can you point to me one report that states this? I have not seen one thing out of Libya to prove your assertions.

I've been to a lot of Muslim and Middle Eastern countries. I've heard Barry's beloved call to prayers many times live and in person. Before you call me naive, make sure you have your facts straight!
58 posted on 03/01/2011 12:22:43 PM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: bill1952

If we can drop a few bombs to aid the rebels why not?


59 posted on 03/01/2011 12:30:44 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: tanknetter

Call me optimistic, but this could be a ‘Falklands’ moment, when Britain suddenly realised in needed to retain a fixed-wing carrier force (I know we are temporarily between carriers at the moment, but the plan is to have them again).

Camoron may well learn the lesson that slashing the defence budget in an increasingly unstable and volatile world is unwise, and will cause difficulties like this if they are allowed to stand.
Hopefully anyway...


60 posted on 03/01/2011 12:32:53 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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