Posted on 02/28/2011 6:18:08 PM PST by DBCJR
The Fl- scare is a market place for those to sell goods (books, CD, herbs, filters) to those stupid enough to buy. You are totally correct in that dosage is not well understood and just about any thing we put into our bodies can kill. Just a few years ago there was a Wii contest and a lady ingest too much H2O and died. We need to start a new thread and let everyone know that H2O is a deadly poison. Do the fear mongers ask what else is added to the water supply? If a very poison like chlorine is not added the water may kill thousands of folks. Many communities add a form of pot ash, a poison to keep the supply lines from corrosion. If it makes sense to remove the Fl- it makes more sense to remove the other two stronger poisons As a Doctor of Dental Medicine I have professionally study Fl- for many decades and continually find that used in proper dosage to be safe and very effective in the prevention of tooth decay. tk
It measures the total dissolved solids in the water.
by measuring the charged ions.
Your quackwatch article is 10 years old. Loses its "quackness" if that's the most recent scaremongering you can find.
FWIW, that "scaremongering" kind of stuff is more for the Oprah show than for this forum. Most FR peeps are pretty savvy and do their own research into stuff....do you really care if they use herbal drops with success? Do you really believe the government would not steer the masses wrong? Do you really see a problem with people choosing to disagree with crap being ADDED to our drinking water?
That only happens to hypochondriacs who don’t follow the directions on the clearly written on the bottle. Those crazy people take overdoses of colloidal silver everyday believing that if a little is good, a sh!t load is even better. Maybe you should read up on the true facts of colloidal silver, it’s uses and it’s benefits. Did you know that it kills over 650 pathogens?
The article in your link states that “The FDA has not approved fluoride as a drug.” That is true, albeit misleading. Fluoride is a molecule. That would be like saying “The FDA has not approved water as a drug.”
I was just kidding. I’ve used colloidal silver myself various times. I study alternative medicine as a hobby.
“It appears that you have a deceptive agenda here.”
Agenda? Shill?
Give me a break.
Then I could say you must be a shill for all the money-grubbing “naturalists” selling their wares JUST LIKE the old days when they claimed all these elixers and leaves would cure just about anything.
I have nothing to profit by here. The GNCs and Vitamin Shoppes do.
Hemlock is “natural”, BTW. So is Fl. It is 1 of the dumbest adjectives ever used. Organic is close, because organic means “living”; inorganic is the opposite and means “non-living”.
I have nothing against them all, per se. If people want to buy it, go ahead. And many vitamins/minerals/extracts DO have good properties to help health; those evil doctors will tell you so. Glucosamin, cherry extracts, etc. But they ARE NOT cures; more like maintenance.
What I hate most is those who push this stuff while denigrating any so-called orthodox “Western medicine”, as if it’s some horrid evil thing. It is 1 of THE prime reasons we - especially the US, with the greatest hospitals in the world, bar none - are so far ahead of the world in lifestyle. Part of that is some of the health measures taken to prevent problems - such as immunizations, quarantines, etc. Do we NEED to have Fl added? Maybe not. But it’s not “evil” to put a tiny bit in the water. It hardly does a danged thing. Otherwise my mother’d be dead by now.
“do you really care if they use herbal drops with success?”
Of course not. I care that they LIBEL people - researchers/dentists and politicians - as doing something “evil” by adding a tiny bit of some chemical (ALL things are chemicals, BTW) to their water. I care that they pass themselves off as knowing all about this stuff as if they are experts, yet don’t use any common sense. I don’t see people dropping dead all around us.
“Do you really believe the government would not steer the masses wrong?”
I believe we have to be wary of gov, but I don’t think by and large it is “evil”, per se - we have not reached that point. Stupid, often, yes, and pointless. I don’t like them telling me I can’t buy a nice big toilet or a normal old-fashioned light bulb, which we all know work perfectly well. In those cases, they’re trying to help “the Environment”, NOT the People. Which doesn’t matter.
“Do you really see a problem with people choosing to disagree with crap being ADDED to our drinking water?”
See above. Public health things have been happening a long time, and by and large it’s been a benefit. I just don’t like people disparaging whole swaths of learned people on a subject they frankly, know next to nothing about. It’s a joke to compare Joe Schmoe knowing squat about Fl to Dr. Dentist. Which in fact is how this whole thing started - not because of some Democrat wag.
Thank you for the ping, editor-surveyor, and for taking on shills for the fluoride industry.
I don’t like them telling me I can’t buy a nice big toilet or a normal old-fashioned light bulb, which we all know work perfectly well.
or mercury thermometers! I was working in an elementary school one day years ago when county personnel came swooping in like a SWAT team to collect all mercury thermometers. crikey.
Very interesting. I'm on levothyroxin (synthroid) and have been since 1987. I was down and out a while back and could not afford a Dr. visit and blood test to get a prescription. I got to feeling pretty bad, so I know I am purely dependent on it now.
A little research turns up data that there are a lot of people who now must take this medication for the rest of their lives. The makers/developers of Synthroid were sued some time back for (I think) trying to force out all other versions of synthetic thyroid, but also (again, I think) for trying to get doctors to issue it to anyone complaining of being tired who had just a hint of low thyroid hormone, knowing (supposedly) that it would hook them for life. I remember my doctor at the time telling me that we (I) would try this for a while to see if it helped. Little did I know (young and stupid, I was - but not liberal!).
I used to be able to go to the doctor once a year, get some bloodwork, and get a years prescription. Not any more. 3 months worth is all I can get. This quadruples what my doctor now earns from me, and who knows how many others that need a prescription for the rest of their lives. How enterprisingly cynical of them! I got them to admit that you are better off taking something, even if the dose is too low, than nothing at all, but they will not issue a prescription without a paid-for office visit.
Anyway, it got me wondering how/why so many people need to take this drug (it's supposed to be a significant percentage of the adult population) and if any studies have been done to see if this is something recent, or has been a common affliction to mankind for all time. Sadly, I can find no data to inform me one way or the other. Fluoride could be a clue. (sorry for the long post. Typing while thinking is not my strong suit...).
Thanks for clarifying. :~) There are so many people that give a glassy eyed look when you try to educate them about alternative remedies. They trust big Pharma come hell or high water.
Here is the yahoo iodine group http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine/. Gets lots of traffic. You can get some insight there. Check out iodoral http://www.amazon.com/OPTIMOX-Iodoral-90-tabs/dp/B000WG3FU4 at Amazon for some reviews. Some like to take Lugol’s solution. Some take porcine thyroid (Armour) not the synthetic. The idea is not all people have sensitive thyroids. But if you do it might be your iodine intake by your thyroid is crowded out by chlorine and fluorides. One cheap test is to take Lugol’s and see if you feel better and you begin to feel like you can get by with less synthroid.
Lugol’s is cheap— http://cgi.ebay.com/Lugols-solution-4-fl-oz-2-2-iodine-/320494213873?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9ef19af1
Many take high dose iodine till they feel better then drop back to a lower maintenance dose. Like I posted...I do filter out chlorine and fluorides. I take Lugol’s.
I asked a pharmacist about doctors issuing twice-the-dosage tablets with instructions to cut them in half to help people save on prescription costs. She said that was fine, but what if you're a little old lady who might forget and accidentally take a whole pill? I asked her, 1) do I look like a little old lady? and, 2) wouldn't an intelligent person, which a doctor is expected to be, be able to decide if the patient was smart enough to follow directions? I mention this as I'm going to try it on my doctor to help me get out of their gouging tactic of only issuing me a 3 month prescription and forcing me to pay for 4 office visits a year, plus bloodwork (done in-office), instead of just once a year. I hear he'll be vacationing in Aruba this year...
There was none of that BS when I took synthroid for 6 months in 1994. No test either. See another MD who won’t gouge you every three months.
You know how cheap synthroid is to make? It has been around for years.
Ionic solutions are what give water the ability to conduct electricity. Pure water will not conduct electricity.
A measurement of the electrical resistance of the water can be corelated with the level of ionic solution, but it will not tell you what those ions might be.
>> “...But they ARE NOT cures; more like maintenance.” <<
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Your level of understanding is miniscule.
The “cure” for each and every degenerative disease is built into the body, but the activation of the curing process requires real food (raw materials to rebuild damaged structures).
Food can only be something that was once alive, since our cells cannot replicate correctly without the nucleotides of once living cells in the food.
This definitely does not mean vitamin pills, which in most cases are little better than the crap that Pharma spews out.
There are a number of herbs that do cure illness, chief among which are ordinary hot peppers. They absolutely cure heart disorders, atherosclerosis, low blood flow for any reason, bleeding for any reason, cancers, and arthritis.
Nothing that is approved by the FDA cures anything; drugs tamper with symptoms, while offering vast mischief throughout the body that shortens life.
No, in fact it’s one of the more absorbable forms. Initially when starting mag you can get some diarrhea but with this form, if you get it at all, it goes away fast.
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