Posted on 02/27/2011 9:17:55 AM PST by mojito
Exit polls and early tallies from Ireland's general election heralded political annihilation for Fianna Fail (FF), the party which has ruled Ireland for more than 60 years of the Irish Republic's eight decades of independence.
The unprecedented and historic defeat, Fianna Fail's worst result in 85 years, makes the Irish government the first eurozone administration to be punished by voters in the aftermath of the EU's debt crisis. Voter turn-out was exceptionally high at more than 70 per cent, indicating public anger at the government and the EU.
Late last year, Ireland was forced to accept a £72 billion EU-IMF bailout to cover huge public debts that were ran up to save failed Irish banks.
The bail-out was designed to prevent financial contagion that threatened the existence of the euro, but according to economic forecasts, the cost of servicing Irish bank debt and the EU-IMF bank loans will consume 85 per cent of Ireland's income tax revenue by 2012, a burden that a majority of voters find intolerable.
Brian Cowen, the Irish Prime Minister and Fianna Fail leader, who stood down last month rather than face furious voters, was also pressured into implementing a savage £13billion austerity programme of tax rises and spending cuts drawn up by the EU.
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This process took one half of a century to complete. Those that supposedly did not want it, had ample chance to refuse. I don't recall much opposition, except from Brittan for a few decades. But they too are "coming to their senses."
In reality, it is just another FAILED SOCIALIST SYSTEM.
I seem unable to find support for your statement. We are united capitalist states; they are somewhat less united, socialist states. Seems that it is not being a union but the nature of the individual states that matters. A socialist system in Germany or Portugal is a failure by our standards even if they do not enter a union.
And even here one has to be cautious. Portugal has been a paternalistic state since times immemorial; it even exported that mentality to places such as Brasil, where it is not uncommon to retire at 48 agter 30 years of service. Well, it still exists; the is no famine in Portugal; it's not Angola. Germany has also been quite paternalistic, at least since unification. It started and lost two enormously wars, but it continues to be paternalistic and socialist, and it still exist in that form. Never mind, of course, that it is we who have been protecting Europeans from the Svoet Union and each other; never mind that we not only shed the blood of our soldiers but considerable financial resources as well. Never mind that they freely use our research and development, where we've been spending for decades 50% more than Europeans: vast majority of drugs developed since 1970s, for instance, have been created in the U.S. Yes, they play us for suckers (and we behave as such --- what the h-ll does our military does in Europe a full generation after the fall of the Soviet Union?)
In other words, European safety and prosperity are not commensurate with their socialist system; much of that was attained on our capitalist backs.
But a failure? Hardly.
I get the feeling this is Ireland’s 0bama moment. They simply voted for change and it looks like they will get it BUT it will not be what they expect...
EU liberal-fascist ,like Oummabama ,don’t care about people’s will and voice....
This is the new face of the socialist tyrany with a fake democratic mask
It is nice to see a conservative reaching all the way to the gutter when expressing himself (FYI: America has been known for its good manners. Try to preserve it, Mr. Conservative. Try to use English when you speak.)
You should also learn a secret, which many conservatives on this forum prefer to remain a secret: banks are owned mostly by the Main Street --- ordinary Americans (and Irish, Brits and Germans), especially retirees, widows and orphans. That's whom you bring down when you conduct socialist class warfare against the banks.
Agreed.
Central planning is historically a proven failure. The EU is simply taking the failure up a notch. The system is an EPIC FAIL -the question is not IF but when if not yet then it will fail eventually...
With this latest election which looks like success for a labor socialist coalition I would say the path to failure will be accelerated in Ireland -paved with 'investments' in broadband, green energy, and infrastructure. Government will create jobs -LMAO!!!! Sound familiar?
Many people from many countries in europe are supporting the irish people AGAINST EU....
France voted NO to an EU constitution project in 2005 but Sarkozy(kind of RINO),along with socialists,overruled the people’s will as expressed by a referendum...
There could be a chain reaction
You probably don't realize this, but this statement is a myth that socialists since Marx have been drilling into unsuspecting heads. "People are gooood; we loooove the people (a pause for mopping up drops falling from the bleeding heart), it's the governments that are a problem."
All governments, even the totalitarian ones, come from the same pool of humanity as the "people." Saddam Hussein is just was just a feeble man. He was a dictator and maintained his power because the people, ordinary folks, loved what he did and were willing to (and did, by hundreds of thousands) die for him and his version of Iraq. German people loved Hitler and were euphorically happy for a decade after they voted him into power. The Soviet Unions and China kept murdering their respective citizens by the millions until the people have changed preferences --- and, once they did, the governments were changed with hardly a shot.
In our own country, we have a very weak, mediocre man acting as president. The enormous power he wields is drawn from the people of the Unites States, the majority of whom not only voted for him but refrain from disapproval of his destructive policies.
Bureaucracies are chosen by and consist of the people.
In this specific case, your post seems completely disconnected from reality: did you not notice voters just threw out one bureaucracy --- after almost a century in power -- and substituted it with a different one?
So, what do words "don't matter" meant to you?
Sarkozy has been a big disappointment. I though the guy was going to be a real conservative and real reformist. Instead he revealed himself as a typical sleazy politician with no true set of morals or convictions.
The bankers, the men who made the bad deals, the ones who took risks with other people's money, they should be made to pay. That's not class warfare, that's punishment for criminal negligence.
The stockholders and bondholders should be made to pay also, but to a lesser extent. When you make an investment, you take a risk. That's not class warfare, that's a fact.
But don't let the lazy, incompetent regulators off either. Dozens of them should have been fired, starting at the top.
But no banker had to forfeit his bonus, no regulator lost his job. So I can see why folks might use salty language here.
Sarkozy has been a big disappointment. I though the guy was going to be a real conservative and real reformist. Instead he revealed himself as a typical sleazy politician with no true set of morals or convictions.
Gotta disagree with your premise there. The House of Representatives is quite responsive to the voters. We saw this in the last election.
But a bureaucracy is not. It runs on its own inertia, and on its own sense of self-importance.
Sure, you can say that the bureaucracy must answer to the Congress, but it rarely does. Congress (and the President) are usually too preoccupied (or lazy) to be concerned with a rule here or a rule there.
And while the voter does care, he usually votes on more critical items. The bureaucracy wins by flying under the radar.
Also, please notice that I was able to respond to your post without throwing any subtle insults your way.
And to the EU as well. EU ignored them when Ireland said "NO" to the EU constitution, and the adoption of the Euro led to the boom in property lending, and of course, this tremendous bust as well.
“I hope they pull an Iceland and tell the bankers to F off.”
Me too lol Iceland is doing fine now and why should those people who had less debt then Germany, France, UK have to pick up the tabs for the banks bad loans. It’s almost $50,000 a household and a lot of those loans were for commercial real estate not even in Ireland.
Someone needs to identify this oddly undiplomatic "diplomat," locate him and then demonstrate just how little his existence matters in the greater scheme of things.
Throw in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and the Euro monetary union blows up because the German and French voters will never pick up the tab!
Throw in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and the Euro monetary union blows up because the German and French voters will never pick up the tab!
That may be a good sign...
To which you reply, "Many people from many countries in europe are supporting the irish people AGAINST EU...."
I agree with your remark, there structure seems to exhibit some mild stress. But what does this have to do with my post? Incidentally, the following is a socialist view (no offense intended): "France voted NO to an EU constitution project in 2005 but Sarkozy (kind of RINO),along with socialists,overruled the people's will as expressed by a referendum..."
Was it not the people who chose and tolerate the system that allows referenda to be overruled? Was it not the people who voted for Sarkozy? Was it not the people that gave so many votes and the corresponding power to socialists, enabling them to use the veto?
Your post makes it sound as if the Soviet Union invaded France and installed the socialist system under the barrel of a gun, as if Sarkozy is German and the Socialist Party is Portuguese. They are all French. It was the French people who before, during and after the French Revolution have chosen their system. When they like ancien regime, they even bestowed on a monarch the title of a Sun King --- does not sound very gloomy to me. When they wanted their system of egalite, they chopped of the head of another monarch. It is egalite that they have now. As voters of a democratic country, the French people have nobody to blame but themselves for the decisions their country makes.
For centuries now Marxists kept drilling in our heads the nonexistent government-people dichotomy. It's time that at least conservatives do not fall for that bait.
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