[Aetius]

They may leave us behind in numbers, but we need not let them bury us with numbers. Western nations need not admit them in the first place. Both the US and Europe could cut back legal immigration as much as we choose (even to zero), and we could stop most illegal immigration. With superior military strength, the West could protect itself from immigration-driven demographic destruction, even with dwindling numbers.

We (i.e. those who rule us) just choose not to do this. It is not inevitable.

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

We (i.e. those who rule us) just choose not to do this. It is not inevitable.

If you look at the Christian Roman Empire, maybe it is. Rome did not fall. It committed suicide - on a perfectly parallel course. They debased the silver currency (even before christianization), frittered away the gold on imports, exported nothing else, built up a large urban poor population whose peace it bought off with bankrupting free food and entertainment, stopped reproducing, stopped serving its military, allowed accelerating immigration to replace its dwindling military and workforce, kept those immigrants in resented second-class status, eventually turned against those immigrants resulting in civil strife. Late Rome betrayed its allies at every opportunity. (Who "lost" China, half of Korea, Vietnam? Who is now turning on Israel? Giving away British nuclear secrets?) The Goths and Vandals were often more Christian than the Romans they sacked and conquered.

[DoughtyOne]

Agreed.