Weare police charge ( political activist ) man for recording traffic stop

"Alleman said he was followed by a police officer when he left the gathering, attended mostly by members of the libertarian activist group, the Free State Project. Alleman said he supports the group's cause but is not a member......

Seems like it doesn’t it.

You know, there’s another aspect of this that just rubs me the wrong way. Above and beyond the fact that the police can photograph and video-tape us in public freely, while we’re felons if we do it, is the issue of calling it ‘Wire Tapping’ if we do it.

The traditional idea of wire-tapping, is related to someone taking electronic measures to infringe on someone else’s first amendment rights. I shouldn’t tap you without your knowledge. It’s considered devious because of the personal actions that must be made to facilitate the act. You have to climb a telephone pole, make electronic connections, tap into the home circuitry, or place listening devices inside the home or office.

Popping out a phone and recording what takes place during a traffic stop IS NOT wire tapping. It is questionable if it’s even an illegal recording.

Why does the officer get to record the incident? Why do they do it? The officer gets to, to protect both parties. He can’t be changed with having done something he didn’t do. The person stopped can’t injure him without it being caught on tape. The person stopped can’t be abused without it showing up on tape.

So what is different about the person stopped recording the incident.

It protects the officer, can’t be charged unfairly, can’t be accosted without evidence. And it protects the person stopped from abuse too.

What’s up with the police being able to take protective measures, if the public can’t take them too?

This is not traditional wire-tapping. This is not an effort to abridge the officer’s rights in the traditional sense. This is not even a threat to the officer, if that officer conducts themselves in an honorable manner.

Not only should a judge toss this out on it’s ear, he should level charges at the police department for overstepping their authority.

A uniformed LEO in public, conducting public business, has no right of privacy.

They know this.

So, is videoing a crowd at Disney World illegally wiretapping everyone in that crowd?

Anyway, as I’ve always said, we got along fine for 300 years with out police. They are the welfare agency of security. Doing what people should do themselves. Protect yourself and your stuff. You got too much stuff? Hire someone, or lock it up somewhere. You can’t afford to? Then sell some stuff. As for yourself, get a gun and some sack and quit depending on some taxpayer to protect your butt. Afraid, wimpy? Be social and friendly with people who can. Its called being social and friendly. If you can’t find someone in the wide spectrum of people in this country that you can not be social with, they the problem is you, you should work on it and not be dependent upon taxpayers to subsidize your miserable anti-social butt.

Plus, let’s do this for the people who are cops. It isn’t human that people spend their adult lives sitting in a cruiser, eyeballing everyone, and making sure every form, plate, sticker, turn single is in working order. We should free them so that they can get self respecting real jobs instead of clocking the years to retirement.

A uniformed LEO in public, conducting public business, has no right of privacy. They know this. So, is videoing a crowd at Disney World illegally wiretapping everyone in that crowd?

Something long the lines of that question had occurred to me. I think you're right on target with the question.

Anyway, as I’ve always said, we got along fine for 300 years with out police.

Which three hundred years would that be?

They are the welfare agency of security. Doing what people should do themselves. Protect yourself and your stuff. You got too much stuff? Hire someone, or lock it up somewhere. You can’t afford to? Then sell some stuff. As for yourself, get a gun and some sack and quit depending on some taxpayer to protect your butt. Afraid, wimpy? Be social and friendly with people who can. Its called being social and friendly. If you can’t find someone in the wide spectrum of people in this country that you can not be social with, they the problem is you, you should work on it and not be dependent upon taxpayers to subsidize your miserable anti-social butt.

I have heard comments along these lines before. I can't really buy into it. There are bad players out there. I don't believe the public is capable of handling all of them. These folks are quite sophisticated today. Our large metropolitan areas would be existing in a state of anarchy.

Plus, let’s do this for the people who are cops. It isn’t human that people spend their adult lives sitting in a cruiser, eyeballing everyone, and making sure every form, plate, sticker, turn single is in working order. We should free them so that they can get self respecting real jobs instead of clocking the years to retirement.

I have to agree that we are over-regulated, and therefore law enforcement officers shouldn't be enforcing so many laws. The over-abundance of these laws does contribute to officers getting less and less respect from the community, as they take on more and more of an adversarial stance.

I believe we are in agreement that the government needs to back off, and become far less involved in our daily lives.

( execellent class reply btw )

There are bad players out there.

I'm of the opinion that the welfare state wants them, breeds them, manufactures them....and needs them. The welfare workers, private contractors are all are dependent for their jobs on this human crop. Public housing, Section 8, WIC, Medicare are to facilitate reproduction of this crop. Generation after generation. Schools are to infantilize and accelerated sexual reproduction, and brain damage. We live in such a wealthy, opertunity rich country that it is nessasary to have the needed enviroment to produce a steady flow of mental, moral, spirtual crippls with no economic skills so that they can than fill school seats, housing projects, courts and jails( which, together,are the largest industry and employer in towns and cities ). The welfare/crime/housing is were the money is.

I don't believe the public is capable of handling all of them.

I am of the opposite. For example, Boston' Little Italy. You move in, you get a visit with in a week from the neighborhood committee. They'll introduce themselves and already know all about you, and give you a card with phone numbers on it to call them first if you see anyone, or have any problems. The crime rate is near zero. On a more organized open way, people are already moving into gated communities. These extra costs are not done because people like to spend money, but to separate them from the human products built, housed, fed and protected by the present system with the productive citizens own taxes.
The criminals, felons that I know are dumb, have short attention spans, not tactical or strategic thinkers and usually prey on the weak, elderly, females and better yet when no one is around. Most all consider them selves tough guys, except when work or raising a family is concerned. They love lefties, social worker and are uncomfortable around straight talkers. (I do know a couple of lifers and they are quite shrewd, entertaining and not to be trusted.)

Our large metropolitan areas would be existing in a state of anarchy. Who built, made, controls the present cities? Who does the responsibility of the present situation fall upon, the last 100 years of supposed New Man social engineering. Who made todays housing projects? Detroit, Gary, Buffalo, Newyark, Oakland and a hundred other dieing cities? What you see ready, waiting is now what the city, like a factory, makes. It makes criminals. And every decade, it/they get a little better. ( you are right though, the economy, the true real neighborhoods, the family have all been destroyed and really, only the cops, shoveling sand against the leftist socialist planning tide is keeping the present from breaking out. But it is futile, as those old cities, and maybe now boarder cities are showing. You can't fight the human result of central planning.

How did police control Chicago, New York with a billy club in a era of unlicensed guns, no ID, no FBI, no radios, no vests and poverty that would make todays Haiti a palace? Answer. It was done organically, the citizens self organizing, which I believe is the enemy of the control state and those that profit and are employed by it. Police were not seen as agents of government, since there physically was so little government, but as one of the people. So, they had great support. They didn't need impersonal investigation tools because they had close local contacts. Neighborhoods, before the centralized Goo-Goo( Good Government ) crypto scientific Municipal system, were real, organic, close knit. So again, todays artificial, inhuman, unpopular in power and politics is THE AGENT of anarchy. It is the problem. It can not solve the problem with out losing its power, income, status and reason for being. Like Hitler and his staff, they are true believers and facts and observation will never persuade them. ( Maybe, maybe we are at the darkness before the light. )

However, this is why people intuitivly just leave. Leaving behind the welfare class, the city minders( kind of the zoo keepers ) and the well paid, easy living whimpy, academic, theoritical paper shufflers of lawyers, academics, priests and such.

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