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Seattle couple murdered by pirates; Would guns on board be smart?
Seattle Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 22 February, 2011 | Dave Workman

Posted on 02/23/2011 8:10:07 PM PST by marktwain

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To: marktwain

You might be right, but I’d plan for the worst. After all, if they meet with resistance on a regular basis, they might decided that its part of the risk...


101 posted on 02/24/2011 8:04:25 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: politicianslie

Thanks....I wondered....do they strip search people at ports, though? And, yeah....if you can’t protect yourself somewhere....don’t go there! Wouldn’t you think though that if you are out on the high seas where Pirates hang out you’d take the risk of having protection?


102 posted on 02/24/2011 8:23:21 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: DTogo
"Something with a bit more reach might be helpful to keep the pirates at a safe distance and off the boat to begin with."

Obvious, isn't it? Most boats I've been on bigger than 35 foot have some sort of shotgun on board. Smart folks carry some kind of 'Deer Rifle' as well.

103 posted on 02/24/2011 8:31:48 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Travis McGee
“I would consider a 12guage steel converter sleeve that goes into a 25mm flare pistol.”

Some of the flare pistols are fairly sturdy. You could likely sleeve it for a smaller caliber, such as a .410, much easier. Anyone with a lathe could make such a conversion. A .410 might be a little easier to shoot one handed, as well.

I think that I would like just about any modern scoped rifle for standoff range. Perhaps a .270 so it is not a “military” caliber. You can get a savage 110 brand new with scope for less than $600. If you shop a bit, you can likely pick up a used one for less than $400.

http://buy.auctionarms.com/10043723/savage-arms-corp-110-gxp3-270-win-with-accu-trigger

104 posted on 02/24/2011 8:42:21 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks...for all the info...very interesting


105 posted on 02/24/2011 8:44:01 AM PST by goodnesswins (I'm not a great man....I just believe in great ideas! Ronald Reagan)
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To: Travis McGee

Jacked should be jacket.

I understood perfectly... Have done numerous similar things...


106 posted on 02/24/2011 8:45:02 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Had it been me, I would have set up my radar to alert all aboard that another vessel was approaching.

Then, after I broke out my HK-91, (Sniper version) and if the intruders kept on coming and indicate they are hostile, the survivors would quickly learn how to take command of a vessel and turn it back to where it came from.


107 posted on 02/24/2011 8:52:17 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: AFreeBird

Not ever owning a Barrett, my experience as only with a waterborne Ma Deuce on navy “small boats.”

But yes, come to think of it, a Barret could be slung like the USCG does from small helos, between strong bungee cords. That could work on a boat. Good luck hiding a Barret though.


108 posted on 02/24/2011 8:56:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Little Ray

The critical item landlubber shooters don’t take into account is the constant motion of your shooting platform.

Imagine sitting on the roof rack of a Suburban driving across rutted fields. That’s close. No “sniper rifle” with a 10X scope will work. You can’t hold it steady enough, and offhand is the ONLY way you can aim and hit anything at all.

Your “shooter’s rest” works AGAINST you, causing your barrel to go up and down and side to side as the boat moves.

I’ve fired pintle mounted Ma Deuce 50s from small boats. It works okay on 60+ feet on relatively calm water, say the riverine environment.

Offshore on a vessel under 60’? Forget it. Your barrel can’t be held steady as the boat moves.

The USCG helo method of strapping a Barret between two bungees in the gunners open door could work. The gun CANNOT be laid across a firm rest that is rolling as the boat rolls.

See my above explanations from about #80 on about shooting effectively on the ocean.


109 posted on 02/24/2011 9:00:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Lee'sGhost

Gotcha.


110 posted on 02/24/2011 9:01:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

A bolt is not best in this role. The absolute KEY is fast followup shots, tracking and correcting off of each splash. This incredible advantage is lost with a slow bolt gun.

And no scope over 4X will work AT ALL due to all of the movement.


111 posted on 02/24/2011 9:03:16 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

The short axis HK-91 is an excellent choice for the technique you just described. Any other method would be less effective. Fast follow up shots are absolutely vital!


112 posted on 02/24/2011 9:17:55 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: sickoflibs; samtheman; hiredhand; Gilbo_3; ExSoldier; bvw; Qbert; justice14; Squantos; ...

Awww, here we go again.....

Can somebody post the “Aww Geez - Not This Sh*t Again” picture???

:^)


113 posted on 02/24/2011 9:19:09 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Travis McGee
I have a quick detach scope. (Tactical 2x6) I can go to a straight unopposed ranging peep in seconds.
114 posted on 02/24/2011 9:21:08 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: marktwain
Would guns on board be smart?

Sure as hell couldn't hurt. Even if they do kill you, you just might take a few with you.

Yes... I am continuing to post after reading just the article. Life is too short to read an entire thread before posting. ;-)

115 posted on 02/24/2011 9:32:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Travis McGee

Sounds like the “spray and pray” pirates will have an advantage.


116 posted on 02/24/2011 9:53:46 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks. I read your post with considerable interest. Nice to learn from someone with experience.


117 posted on 02/24/2011 9:59:19 AM PST by marktwain
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To: cynwoody

Would that this were true.


118 posted on 02/24/2011 10:11:43 AM PST by samtheman
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To: smokingfrog
Somebody should set up a gun rental service in international waters for people sailing through that part of the world.

Good idea. Boats sitting at both ends of the route (but still in international waters) where you can return your weapons and get back your deposit before entering a port.

119 posted on 02/24/2011 11:09:27 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Travis McGee

Your post#86 is very interesting. Thanks for posting it.


120 posted on 02/24/2011 11:14:30 AM PST by samtheman
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