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Union supporters say Wisconsin test scores vastly outpace those states without collective bargaining
PolitiFact ^ | 02/23/2011

Posted on 02/23/2011 8:03:27 PM PST by speciallybland

In tweets and Facebook postings, supporters of labor unions in Wisconsin have promoted statistics that would suggest that collective bargaining for teachers -- which would be severely restricted under a proposal by Gov. Scott Walker -- is correlated with higher scores on standardized academic tests.

On Feb. 23, we found the following version on Facebook by the Democratic Party of Wisconsin:

"Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators and have deemed it illegal. Those states and their ranking on ACT/SAT scores are as follows: South Carolina -50th/ North Carolina -49th/ Georgia -48th/ Texas -47th/ Virginia -44th. If you are wondering, Wisconsin is currently ranked #2."

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: false; lyingdemocrats; politifact; wisconsinshowdown
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1 posted on 02/23/2011 8:03:36 PM PST by speciallybland
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To: speciallybland

I dare them to break it down demographically


2 posted on 02/23/2011 8:04:54 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat ("Ball of Confusion: That's what the world is today . . Hey Hey")
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To: speciallybland

Now they are getting desperate.

Next thing you know it’ll be
States with Collective Bargaining
have bigger Tomatos, squash,
lower heart disease, etc.


3 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:32 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: speciallybland

Complete and total panic mode.


4 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:34 PM PST by RedMDer (Stimulus... hasn't stimulated ANYTHING but The TEA PARTY!!! - Sarah Palin)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Mke and dane county would be at the bottom of the list.


5 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:39 PM PST by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I guess not being able to fire bad teachers also keeps the scores down


6 posted on 02/23/2011 8:07:44 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I guess not being able to fire bad teachers also keeps the scores down


7 posted on 02/23/2011 8:08:00 PM PST by mriguy67
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To: speciallybland

Totally false.
And so easily disproven I wonder why they bother.


8 posted on 02/23/2011 8:10:13 PM PST by buwaya
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To: speciallybland

They are playing the race card.

Wisc is 90% white.

Calif and NY are union how are schools there?


9 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:14 PM PST by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama. Then try him for treason.)
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To: tet68

Better cheese.....


10 posted on 02/23/2011 8:11:14 PM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: speciallybland

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/23/state-democratic-party-wisconsin/labor-union-supporters-say-wisconsin-test-scores-v/

in summation....

In general, Di Carlo notes that, according to the available evidence, there may be some overall benefit from unions on student test scores, but due to all the complex factors involved, there is little basis for drawing strong causal conclusions. He also pointed out that unions confer other benefits, such as improved communication between teachers and administrators.

However, that’s all beyond the scope of our item. Ultimately, the Facebook post uses outdated data based on a questionable methodology. A review using current data finds that Wisconsin does perform better on test scores than the non-union states, but not as dramatically as suggested in the Facebook post. And there is at best limited evidence that unionization played a causal role in shaping differences in test scores. We rate the statement False.


11 posted on 02/23/2011 8:12:06 PM PST by digger48
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To: Red Badger

Hotter showers.
More Moose.


12 posted on 02/23/2011 8:12:46 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: speciallybland

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/satact-factoid-debunked/


13 posted on 02/23/2011 8:13:58 PM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Wisconsin has the highest per pupil spending in the Midwest.

Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest
Tuesday, February 22, 2011

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g


14 posted on 02/23/2011 8:14:35 PM PST by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama. Then try him for treason.)
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To: tet68

Better football teams?......


15 posted on 02/23/2011 8:15:13 PM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Red Badger; tet68

cheese?


16 posted on 02/23/2011 8:16:27 PM PST by digger48
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To: speciallybland

The taxpayer/parents of those bright students have NOTHING whatsoever to do with the scores, of course.


17 posted on 02/23/2011 8:18:00 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Yes, like this -

Use NAEP scores disaggregated by race - because a lot of the lower-scoring states have a higher proportion of black and hispanic students.

Since most scores better follow race than any other factor, its best to compare white vs white, black vs black, etc. by state. Most discrepancies in educational performance between states are best explained by the population mix.

Here is one place to get them -

http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/stt2009/20104548.asp

The results of a disaggregated analysis are very interesting. I also like using the 8th grade scores as this avoids comparability problems as variable rates of college test taking and high school dropout rates.

Texas, for instance, far outperforms Wisconsin for white, black and hispanic 8th grade students

8th Grade Mathematics 2009 Avg Score
Texas Wisconsin
White 301 294
Black 272 254
Hispanic 277 268


18 posted on 02/23/2011 8:20:08 PM PST by buwaya
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To: speciallybland

Correlation is not causation.

‘Nuff said.


19 posted on 02/23/2011 8:21:06 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: speciallybland

If the lie is big enough and repeated often enough, I guess it must be true, huh?

Morons!


20 posted on 02/23/2011 8:21:29 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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