Wisconsin Union Thinking

2/21/2011 | RepulicanDonkey

[Repulican Donkey]

"It's All About Me". What veteran Wisconsin Teachers Really Believe

[Repulican Donkey]

The Wisconsin teachers' union would rather have mass layoffs than contribute more for benefits because:

1. By contract the youngest teachers will be out the door so the old guard at the hign end salaries stay put. 2. Teachers who get caught in the layoffs will get 99 weeks of unemployment "benefits", mostly state funded, so the leftists get to screw Wisconsin anyway.

As the guy said in the movie: "This ain't rocket surgery"!

[quantim]

[InvisibleChurch]

Union leader, Freddie the Freeloader, sups at the taxpayer trough.

[Aevery_Freeman]

You overestimate teachers. I was a new teacher and the old dogs were delighted to throw the new ones under the school bus.

In business, where results matter, new people are given less challenging tasks until they learn the ropes or the business fails. There is no such requirement in teaching - newbies get the toughest classes, worst students and most ancillary duties.

These are not kindly people by and large - they might be in a different environment but not here.

My first week in teaching, I was "discovered" to be a conservative. An old teacher, who joined just for the union aspects, poked me in the chest and said "Any teacher who is not a Democrat is a damn fool."

[Repulican Donkey]

No, I don’t overestimate. I chased off a “Sacred Cow” teacher, who, in his government class referred to Republicans as “those people”. I got him to admit his phrase was the same as Robert E Lee’s in reference to the Union Army. You should have seen his face! He retired at the end of the year.

Come to Texas and work in a rural school district!

[McKayopectate]

Geez, they win the Superbowl, and they get all cocky.

[Kenton]

I'm just curious about something... Today is “President’s Day”, and since these school teachers get the day off as a paid holiday, are they going to expect an extra holiday at the end of the year or something to make up for missing the “President’s Day” holiday due to the illegal strike?

It seems perfectly consistent with the worldview of these pampered union parasites...

[Ditto]

The Wisconsin teachers' union would rather have mass layoffs than contribute more for benefits because:

Hummm? But say they lay off 10% of the teachers. Then revenue to the Union Bosses from manditory dues payments goes down 10% as well.

Remember, Unions no longer exist to protect workers. They only exist to support Democrat politicians and keep the Union bosses living in the style they have grown accustomed to.

[bt579]

I think Wisconscin should return the Lombardi Trophy.

[Eva]

This strike no longer has anything to do with the cost of benefits. The head of the teachers’ union already capitulated
on the benefits. This is all about collective bargaining, which is impossible when the employer, aka, the tax payers, are not given a seat at the bargaining table.

[Harley]

But say they lay off 10% of the teachers. Then revenue to the Union Bosses from manditory dues payments goes down 10% as well.

Only if they don't raise the dues to make up the difference. Here's the long pole in the tent for the unions.

Dues Checkoff is the mandatory payment via payroll deductions. The Wisconsin bill calls for union dues to be optional. If the bill passes and dues become optional, look for about a 90% loss of union funding.

[Ditto]

If the bill passes and dues become optional, look for about a 90% loss of union funding.

90% might be high, but it would not surprise me if 50% of teachers told the Union to stuff it.

I once worked in a union represented company in Pennsylvania where union dues was optional. Less than 30% of those eligible to pay dues actually paid it. They had no interest in union membership or in supporting the union.

But does this bill actually do away with the 'closed shop?'

[itsahoot]

There is no such requirement in teaching - newbies get the toughest classes, worst students and most ancillary duties.

Many conservatives never understand this, any teacher can be set up to fail, and the opposite is true also.

Teachers are popular today because they fail no one, else they don't keep their job. The pressure put on first and second year teachers is unbelievable.

[Aevery_Freeman]

It does preclude the state from withholding the dues so the teachers would have to pay it directly.

This is the same stunt that keeps us paying income taxes rather than rioting in the streets or going to jail because we can't pay our taxes when they come due.

[Ditto]

It does preclude the state from withholding the dues so the teachers would have to pay it directly.

They need to change it so that paying union dues is not a condition of employment. This does not sound like it goes that far, and paying dues to the union is still a condition of employment.

That, the 'Closed Shop" provisions, is what gives these union criminals all of their power. If paying dues is an option, not a requirement, the union would be forced to become more representative instead of the dictatorship they have become.

[Lazamataz]

Unions are as American as a May Day Parade on Red Square.

[Aevery_Freeman]

I agree but the several states' unions are in open revolt over this change.

I would like to see us repeal the Sixteenth (Income Tax) Amendment but I'm not holding my breath.