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To: odds

If they can choose, they can choose not to be islamic which means they are not evil. If they choose to be, they are evil.

The thing is, islam has no concept of free will, so I can understand how they can have a twisted view but anyone rational shouldn’t fall for that.

Idealogy is not like a genetic thing. After a certain age they are entirely complicit with their idealogy and everything that goes with it. This is especially true on a personal level.

There are some truly stupid ones that don’t know any better, but that doesn’t clear them of sticking to a fundamnetally anti-human idealogy after they have grown up. Stupidity is the closest thing you can come to that ‘absolves’ them, but that doesn’t work for me.


40 posted on 02/24/2011 4:57:46 PM PST by Tolsti2
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To: Tolsti2

Yes, there are those who do choose not to do ‘evil. Equally, as I said, there are moslems who leave Islam (of their own volition/choice), but if found out will be punished, because they are viewed as Apostates in Islam & by their orthodox counterparts.

Exactly, in Islam, itself, the concept of Free Will so far as core Islamic tenets & laws are concerned, does not exist.

No doubt there are “Stupid moslems”. I also wonder how much of so-called ‘stupidity’ can be attributed to the fact that these ‘stupid moslems’ have been conditioned (brainwashed) thru formal/informal education since childhood. By education, I mean at home by their parents, at Islamic schools, thru exposure to certain media, at mosques, as well as by various Islamic clerics.

It is interesting, the other day I was having a conversation on FR about the concept of “good vs evil” & how this concept is interpreted & taught differently in Islam.

In summary, The moslems see ‘good’ as those who adhere to moslem beliefs, Allah, Allah’s ‘final’ prophet as seen by them being Mohammad & the Koran. They see evil as those who doubt & deny the mentioned beliefs, and are told they’ll be punished for it in a physical location (hell) or rewarded for obedience (heaven/paradise) in afterlife.

If you get the time, watch the interview (link in #35). I found it informative, especially from the perspective of the woman was interviewed (Ayaan Hirsi Ali). She is born a moslem, tho is now an ex-moslem.


41 posted on 02/24/2011 5:24:09 PM PST by odds
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