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To: El Cid

Gets it? Um, last time I checked, Muslims follow Islam. If Islam is the problem. Then so are Muslims.


37 posted on 02/24/2011 3:40:26 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird

I understand what you’re saying. Tho, it isn’t always that black & white.

The difference is that moslems are people & Islam is an ideology, doctrine, religion, political/social system, etc.. which (ideally) a person (a moslem) should be able to choose to follow & practice fully, partially, or not at all. But Islam, itself, essentially, does not allow that choice.

Examples:

There are those who were born moslems (to moslem parents). That is they did not choose to be moslems themselves. If they leave Islam, or convert to another religion, they are still viewed as moslems but also as apostates by orthodox moslems as well as by fundamental tenets of Islam itself. Apostates can be punished, often severely.

There are also those who were born moslems (to moslem parents), who do not adhere to or practice/follow everything taught by their orthodox clerics or said in the Koran. IOW, they have their own interpretations of what Islam means. This group, whilst viewed as moslems by non-moslems, is considered as ‘fake’ or ‘deviant’ moslems by their orthodox moslem counterparts because they do not follow Islamic tenets, beliefs & laws by the letter.

So, unfortunately & at present, it seems Islam itself is the problem, because of its strict dogma. Again, moslems are people, and people can choose, but Islam itself doesn’t leave much room for “choice”. At least not without punishment for deviation.


38 posted on 02/24/2011 4:45:02 PM PST by odds
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To: AFreeBird
Gets it? Um, last time I checked, Muslims follow Islam. If Islam is the problem. Then so are Muslims.

I reference back to my previous post #13.
The issue isn't that Muslims are sinners. We are all sinners. Shapened in inequity and depraved. We're only changed when the Holy Spirit comes upon us and convicts us and cleanses us (as the Psalmist pleads, "Psalms 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me").

Although it is true that God IS Mighty and the Holy Spirit can break even the bonds of those trapped in the Satanic snares of Islam -- the fact is that these poor people are trapped in some awfully powerful chains. Can you imagine being born into a cult where you know, from the moment you can form some thoughts in your mind, that if you leave this cult you will not only be disowned by your family, but your family will also feel obliged to kill you?
At a minimum, on a subconscious level, the person is going to resist leaving. Only the Holy Spirit can save such a person, and I can only admire the courage of those people that leave the death cult of Islam.

Yes, the Muslims are following their 'religion' of doom - but pity the poor sinner trapped in this 'religion' and recognize the author of this 'religion' who is yanking on these people like a puppet master yanks on the strings of his puppet. The author of Islam is none other than Satan - who wants nothing more than the misery and death of mankind.

44 posted on 02/24/2011 5:33:54 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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