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1 posted on 02/17/2011 4:51:59 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Discussing social issues while the country is on the verge of collapse is like the out of tune band plucking away on the Titanic.

Instincts for day-to-day survival have to kick in. When chaos reigns, the social conservatives are the ones with the guns.

2 posted on 02/17/2011 4:56:45 AM PST by deadrock (Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle. Philo)
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I don’t like to be pigeon holed into one term or another.

My small l libertarianism is strongly influenced by my conservatism and common sense.

for instance....gay marriage...I personally dont care who is sleeping with whom...BUT.... if we allow this form of marriage, we are inviting in, ultra repressive groups like Islam....as nature abhors a vacuum, they will pick up more converts than ever and take over the country from within, as they are doing in Europe...so if you want a free country, dont even think of letting groups like Islam into the country....by definition, they’re goal is to conquer either from without or within...why give them the opportunity to take over from within...I prefer a straight fight from without...Molon Labe.


3 posted on 02/17/2011 5:03:12 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Progressives pursue the ideal of equality.
Libertarians pursue the ideal of Liberty.

Conservatives adhere to proven practices which are known to make a society successful. The family. Rule of law. Property rights. Personal responsibility. Rooted in Western civilization and the Judaeo-Christian tradition, Conservatism deals with the reality of human nature, and not ivory tower ideals of what man "ought to be" or "could be".

4 posted on 02/17/2011 5:09:51 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (BO + MB = BOMB -- The One will make sure they get one.)
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do not know who this guy is, and after reading his article, probably never will....makes as much sense as an orange garbage can...


6 posted on 02/17/2011 5:21:40 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Liberals tend to set up equality as the highest good. Equality is the end goal of most liberal policy. The conservative asks, "Why does that idea become valued over all others?" Equality is certainly good, but as a highest end and goal, it can lead to devastating consequences.

Likewise, the pure libertarian (as opposed to those of us who have some libertarian leanings) sets up liberty as the highest good. Liberty is the end goal of all policy. The conservative looks to the libertarian and asks, "Why does that idea become valued over all others?" Liberty is obviously a great good, but as the highest end goal, it can also lead to devastating consequences.

The conservative argues that the greatest instructor on what laws should exist in a civil society is human experience. So, it would seem libertarianism hits its own walls when it ventures out of its world of make-believe theories and steps into the world of reality.

What a fascinating morning read. Thank you, rightwingintelligentsia.

I would venture to comment further, but I'm quite sure someone would misinterpret my meaning.

7 posted on 02/17/2011 5:40:08 AM PST by Miss_Meyet (12 percent of people met their spouse online-the other 88 percent met someone else's spouse.JayLeno)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
I would guess that there are very strong threads of
small l libertarianism on this site
and this is what Reagan would have been speaking to.

Utopian Libertarianism is just as bad as Utopian Statism. Neither speak well to the realities of Human Nature.

But I despise Federal Governance
It magnifies the consequences of
Megalomania an Narcissism

And if I had to choose between a Liberal Libertarian
And a Conservative Statist, it would be a tough call

10 posted on 02/17/2011 5:47:07 AM PST by HangnJudge
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Anyone who attended the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) last weekend knows that, although Republicans won big in November, the conservative movement is still facing an identity crisis.

Absolutely NO identity crisis with this Conservative and her like-minded friends. We know what the conservative movement is and what it means to actually BE a conservative. CPAC has been infiltrated by the left, just like many other conservative groups. I like their new guy, Cardenas, I do think he's a decent man but it doesn't get more establishment than Cardenas. CPAC's actions next year, which is such a vital year, will clear out, once for all, any questions or doubts one may still have about CPAC.

Personally, I am going to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference ( http://www.rlc2011.com/ ). Thus far, they haven't put up with the behavior coming from Ronbots so that says something.
12 posted on 02/17/2011 5:55:35 AM PST by Allthegoodusernamesaregone (Here I come to save the day! - Barack Obama, Jan. 14th 2011)
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There are libertarians who think everything should be legal, and some conservatives who think nothing should be legal. Between those two extremes, there is a lot of common ground.


13 posted on 02/17/2011 6:09:21 AM PST by Daveinyork
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John Adams’ rejoinder that the Constitution was meant for a “moral people” and would not work for any other proved true. If “conservatism” is in “turmoil” or even “dead” it is ONLY because the Constitution was abandoned by liars and grifters who took the reigns of power through the ballot box—and that started happening long ago.

We’re not going to get back to something worth really having without morality being central to the cause. Name a secular poltiican of our time who was not a liar. Exactly, you can’t.

Whereas, so-called “social conservatives” have the distinction of being trustworthy. And that is vital if you are taking an oath to uphold the values of a document like the Constitution.


16 posted on 02/17/2011 7:03:01 AM PST by PaleoBob
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Fine piece. I couldn't agree more that at the core of our financial debacle and all the other turmoil and BS we find ourselves in right now is us. Is our morality, social values and culture and heritage.

However I find the following incongruent:

This...

Alternatively, traditional conservatives believe the rise and success of Western society was not merely a lucky accident or the result of a couple Enlightenment period thunderbolts, but rather the product of diligent work, trial and error, and human experience -- and in may ways the result of Christian civilization.

As such, they argue that preserving a strong moral order -- an order that took shape over millennia -- is vitally important to a functioning society (including a functioning economic system).

Does not agree with this...

In some ways, this is humbling, inasmuch as it argues that Western civilization is not great because its people were inherently superior but that it evolved over centuries because its ideas were based on recognizing the realities of human nature.

It IS the people, in no small part, that made it what is was and what it can be. Call it/us whatever you want 'superior', different or our own but it works and works for US. It is not some 'universally' accepted nor practiced social order and/or government and never has been. Different peoples define, accept and practice ideas and concepts such as our ideals in different ways. So called 'universal ideals' and concepts are not always so universally defined in the same ways. It is in part organic, a part of us and who we are at our core. Take us away and it no longer exis. It is way more than just 'ideas' and ideals'. They are attempting to rip that way. Destroy it all. And they destroy it all by destroying us. They destroy us by trying to make us believe we are all Borg. "Equal". They say it is because of 'racism' and all kinds of isms that we must change/destroy it. There are no distinctions & no preference to anyone or anything except 'equality'.

18 posted on 02/17/2011 7:58:37 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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