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Texas: ATS Sues City For Insufficient Red Light Camera Ticketing
TheNewspaper.com ^ | 02/16/2011 | n/a

Posted on 02/16/2011 1:59:14 PM PST by Ken H

Red light camera company sues Baytown, Texas over results of anti-camera referendum.

Traffic camera vendor American Traffic Solutions showed no municipal love as it filed a breach of contract suit against Baytown, Texas on Monday. The St. Valentine's Day complaint accused the city of failing to approve the mailing of an expected number of red light camera citations generated by the company.

According to court filings, ATS generated 2420 tickets in November 2010, and the city accepted all but 425 -- an 82 percent approval rate. The next month, ATS generated 2837 tickets, but the city only approved 587 -- a 21 percent rate. By January, the city had only approved two tickets.

ATS insists that failure to allow the mailing of tickets constitutes material breach of a contract binding through the year 2019. For its part, the city is unable to approve any tickets because voters approved a referendum in November prohibiting the use of red light cameras unless a police officer is present to witness any alleged offense. ATS has refused to acknowledge this public vote.

"As you know, the entire purpose of the program is to automate the detection of red light runners without the necessity of relying upon personal observation by a peace officer," ATS lawyer Andy Taylor wrote. "That is why the agreement involves the city's use of the Axsis system 'only for the purpose of detecting a violation or a suspected violation of a traffic-control signal.' By changing the program to require personal observation of red light running by a peace officer, the city has unilaterally breached the material terms of the agreement."

The city countered that ATS is not entitled to any compensation because the company has breached the contract.

"On November 15, 2010, the voters of the city of Baytown, through the initiative process, enacted an ordinance which altered the law regarding automated red light enforcement systems," interim City Manager Robert D. Leiper wrote. "According to the new law, a peace officer must witness the violation in order for a civil penalty to be assessed. This new requirement imposed by law does not eliminate the automated red light traffic enforcement system in Baytown but merely adds another step which must be satisfied for notices of violations to be issued. ATS agreed in Section 12 of the agreement that it 'shall at all times comply with... all local laws, ordinances and regulations...' but has failed to date to comply with this new law."

To add insult to injury, Baytown sent ATS a bill on January 25 demanding $4946 to cover the firm's share of the cost of red light camera ticket refunds. ATS turned to a Harris County judge to ask for a trial that would settle whether the company can recover the full amount of its investment in the Baytown program. Byron Schirmbeck, who led the initiative petition effort as director of saferbaytown.com, says this case is proof that the camera program has always been about the money, not safety.

"I sincerely hope that any city considering entering into a contract with a photo enforcement corporation contacts the city of Baytown to see what kind of headache they will be facing if they decide to get in bed with this organization, and then the cameras are forced out with a vote," Schirmbeck told TheNewspaper. "The profits you make won't be worth it."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: ats; redlightcameras
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To: cyberlaw

I’d check the yellow light times too. Slightly lenghtening yellow light times increases safety and reduces red light runners. However, in conjunction with a red light camera system, yellow light times are often reduced in order to increase the number of red light runners so the system will reap more profit. That is also likely to produce more accidents, but we knew this was about profit, not safety, anyway.


41 posted on 02/16/2011 2:48:29 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Ditter
I guess my point was that red light runners are fools and they cause accidents that kill people. Surely you don’t disagree with that.

It seems to be borne out by statistics that the majority of people who run red lights are simply reacting to poorly-engineered signaling and intersection layout. I remember seeing a photo of a sign that said "Signals Timed to Insure Frequent Stops" or something like that - certainly an extreme case, but you see what I'm getting at.

The fact that cities will reduce the yellow time at intersections where red light cameras have been installed should give you a pretty strong hint as to what's really going on.

Double-check to insure that the information you're getting about red-light running isn't put out by shills for the ticket-camera manufacturers.

42 posted on 02/16/2011 2:54:29 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Ditter
I see that as BS.

Adding the cameras doesn't increase the accidents. It's that most cities reduce yellow light time when they install the cameras. It's a basic fact of traffic engineering: reduce yellow light time, get more accidents.

43 posted on 02/16/2011 2:54:37 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: TexasCajun

The contract is still in force. ATS says the city isn’t mailing out any tickets, while the city is pointing to a clause in the contract that states ATS will follow all laws. Part of the law now is that for it to be a violation, it has to be witnessed by a leo. I don’t see how the city is breaching the contract by this.

The voters didn’t break the contract, they simply changed the law defining how running a red light can be considered a violation.


44 posted on 02/16/2011 2:54:43 PM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Ken H
Texas: ATS Sues City For Insufficient Red Light Camera Ticketing

The irony here is delicious!!

45 posted on 02/16/2011 2:55:17 PM PST by DustyMoment (Go green - recycle Congress in 2012!!)
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To: Ditter
Houston shut down their redlight cameras. I saw a collision yesterday caused by a woman who ran a red light.

When I lived in Houston during the early nineties, I always loved to read Leon Hale's column in the Chronicle. Several times he made the observation that you can tell newcomers to Houston, because they take off when the light turns green, instead of waiting for the red light runners to pass by.

I see that things haven't changed.

46 posted on 02/16/2011 3:48:35 PM PST by TexasBarak (He who pays the least- wins!)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I don’t know which (bleep) to root for or against.

You root for both of them. As long as they are fighting over the real issue (money), they may not be victimizing (I repeat "MAY NOT").

47 posted on 02/16/2011 3:57:02 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Ditter
Houston shut down their redlight cameras. I saw a collision yesterday caused by a woman who ran a red light.

And the cameras stop that how?

48 posted on 02/16/2011 3:58:56 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
If you had to write a $75. check every time you ran a red light, even you elkie boy, as dumb as you are, would think about it before running that red light.
49 posted on 02/16/2011 4:02:57 PM PST by Ditter
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To: elkfersupper
Are you still around elk?
 
I thought of you and your "murderous mop bucket" comment from a few years back when I saw this the other day:
 

 

Baby girl drowns in mop bucket


San Antonio Express - Jazmine Ulloa - 4 days ago
AP ENTERPRISE: No decision soon in Armstrong probe A 1-year-old girl drowned Friday afternoon when she climbed into a bucket her ...


50 posted on 02/16/2011 4:11:19 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: TexasBarak
Several times he made the observation that you can tell newcomers to Houston, because they take off when the light turns green, instead of waiting for the red light runners to pass by.

Prudence demands that when one is stopped at an intersection, one not proceed until it is safe to do so. There are a variety of reasons why even a prudent motorist may sometimes enter an intersection very shortly after a light turns read (e.g. a motorist who is boxed in by large trucks may not be able to see the light at the moment it turns yellow); there is no reason, however, that a prudent motorist who sees a red light ahead should not be prepared to yield the right of way to any other motorist who would (rightfully or wrongfully) demand it.

51 posted on 02/16/2011 4:19:23 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Ditter
I see that as BS. The rear end accidents are not the killers, those would be the broadside accidents and those are up.

If a motorist is uncertain whether he can safely stop behind an intersection, is it safer for the motorist to proceed at speed through the intersection, possibly entering it a second after his light turns red (but a second before the opposing light turns green), or is it safer for the motorist to attempt to stop and possibly entering the intersection somewhat slowly a few seconds later (after the opposing light has turned green)? If the installers of traffic camera systems were interested in safety, they would configure the systems so that someone who entered between the time one light went red and the other light went green would delay the opposing green signal, and they would charge different fines for courtesy violations and safety violations. Have you ever heard of any camera system that did those things?

52 posted on 02/16/2011 4:28:08 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: Ditter

I don’t run red lights and I don’t need cameras to prevent me from doing so.


53 posted on 02/16/2011 4:45:27 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Still around.

If it made you think about the context, then my job is done.

Pass it on.

54 posted on 02/16/2011 4:47:12 PM PST by elkfersupper (Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: supercat
You mentioned that second after your light turns red and before the other lights turns green? Houston used to have that second of red on red but no more. It went away back in the 80’s when our traffic, because of an oil boom, got so heavy that they shortened the yellow and when yours turns red, the others turn green.
55 posted on 02/16/2011 5:22:04 PM PST by Ditter
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To: elkfersupper

LOL! I’ll bet you don’t!


56 posted on 02/16/2011 5:23:18 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Ken H

Screw ATS and may they either repent and get out of the red light ticket business or die slowly of parasitic infestations.


57 posted on 02/16/2011 5:40:08 PM PST by Eagle Eye (A blind clock finds a nut at least twice a day.)
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To: Ken H

It does look like ATS blew it on this one. It’s very risky to take action against ‘customers’, and even more risky when you depend of more, similar, future ‘customers’.

They are making it much HARDER for cities to set up what amounts to tolling systems...which is only good for Americans.


58 posted on 02/16/2011 5:53:19 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Ditter

“Houston shut down their redlight cameras. I saw a collision yesterday caused by a woman who ran a red light. “

I was hoping they’d bring the yellow light interval back to within spec, once the revenue engine was no longer running. I guess in your case, they hadn’t gotten to reprogramming that intersection yet.


59 posted on 02/16/2011 5:55:07 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: kittymyrib

“It finally dawned on those sharper citizens that the camera companies were taking 2/3 of the $75 fines.”

$75 red light fine??? Holy crap, I haven’t gotten a red light ticket in more years than I can recall, but here in CA I would bet you that those tickets are $175 dead minimum, and, the thing they do out here is to DOUBLE moving violation fines and add court costs. So such a ticket would be (guessing) $175 + $175 + $38 = $388. Oh yeah, easily.


60 posted on 02/16/2011 6:12:03 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder ("Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit smoking" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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