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Is Seasteading the Future?
Townhall.com ^ | February 16, 2011 | John Stossel

Posted on 02/16/2011 4:47:56 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: SF_Redux

hee hee


21 posted on 02/16/2011 5:53:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Pietro
What could possibly go wrong w/ a libertarian utopia?

I think someone wrote a book about it...


22 posted on 02/16/2011 5:55:18 AM PST by EternalVigilance (I don't know about you, but we hold these truths to be self-evident...)
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To: Kaslin

This has been tried before...

There was a nutty Brit who tried this in the late 60s when they tried converting an old Maunsell Forts that were built during the War as air raid defenses, into the independent Principality of Sealand. He issued passports, had a flag and coat of arms and there was even a coup on one of the platforms at one point.

I’m not sure where it all stands today, but as far as I know there are still a lot of Sealand passports floating around out there....


23 posted on 02/16/2011 5:55:35 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts...)
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To: Kaslin

I have an idea. Let’s set up a free republic based on the rule of law, not of men. A nation with a moral basis, in which the purpose of government is to secure the God-given rights to life, liberty, and private property of all the people, from conception to natural death.

We could call it “America,” and its territory could extend from the Arctic Circle to the Gulf of Mexico, from the Atlantic Ocean to the islands of the Pacific.

Yeah, we could do that...


24 posted on 02/16/2011 5:58:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance (I don't know about you, but we hold these truths to be self-evident...)
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25 posted on 02/16/2011 6:01:35 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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To: Kaslin

The Arabs tried is by pumping sand to form new islands ... which are now sinking back into the sea. Fortunately, there are no hurricanes in that region... just the occacional wars of conquest...


26 posted on 02/16/2011 6:04:07 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Kaslin

ala the novel Snow Crash.

Figure out how to convert all this free trash:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_Garbage_Patch
into energy/products and maybe you could sustain a society for a while.


27 posted on 02/16/2011 6:06:08 AM PST by fnord (497 and a half feet of rope? ... I just carry it.)
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To: Lysandru
What is the economic case for these places?

Obamacare will precipitate doctors, our highest paid workers on average, to set up shop offshore. Using Google Earth you can measure sea depth around the world. For hundreds of miles south of the Bahamas, north of Cuba, the Atlantic is very shallow, 5 feet deep in places. It's possible that new land could be dredged up there for a cost comparable to buying existing land. Land is cheaper to maintain than metal alternatives. This area is a 30 minute flight from Florida. So set up an airport, hospital, and military, hire some doctors, and Freeperland is in business. Someone like the Koch brothers could make this happen.

28 posted on 02/16/2011 6:29:19 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like a good time to make a pycrete super ship that stays near colder waters, a massive frozen wood chip hull that will not melt as it would have chilling tubes near the out surface.


29 posted on 02/16/2011 6:37:11 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: fnord
Ah...
 

the fate of his flotation devices...



And then there is that pesky thing that just keeps popping up into the public view:
 
 
Revelation 8:8-11 (King James Version)
 
 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
 
 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
 
 10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
 
 11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
 
 
 

 
30 posted on 02/16/2011 6:43:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Reeses
It's possible that new land could be dredged up there for a cost comparable to buying existing land.

http://www.theworld.ae/

31 posted on 02/16/2011 6:44:41 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Eye of Unk

Wouldn’t (wooden) it be CHEAPER just to have a REAL hull?

Instead of a refrigeration system; fuel to run it,
men to maintain it,
a backup in case it FAILED and
all of those TUBES with refrigerant instead of
a relitively thin pice of steel?


32 posted on 02/16/2011 6:48:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

There is usually a REASON things are built they way they are; and it is called ECONOMICs.


33 posted on 02/16/2011 6:49:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Kaslin

“That’s why we work to enable seasteading communities — floating cities”

This was an idea I floated here on FR a few years back. Greens were moaning about the vast amount of plastic waste bobbing in the pacific. I proposed a floating city made of modular floats, rafts, boats and the like to harvest this petroleum-based resource, clean the ocean, and turn a profit.

A new or different society would organically rise from such a thing.

And with all the greenies on the floating city, we could go back to the USA being a producer again.


34 posted on 02/16/2011 6:53:35 AM PST by DBrow
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To: EternalVigilance

But how do we get rid of the a—holes who ruined it as they abound and are maintained by free loaders who scream loudly but do nothing constructive. ...Gosh I need a break.


35 posted on 02/16/2011 6:56:34 AM PST by mcshot (So this is how it feels to be flushed. The "that's impossible" days are upon us.)
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To: Elsie

Imagine a steel hull ship built like a huge slab that is say figuratively three times larger than any of the worlds larget supertankers.

A one mile long vessel, this ship never leaves waters much warmer than 40F, it will never be in the tropics. Ammonia refrigeration through solar or wind power would be supplemental but not required, and any time some melting did occur the vessel needs to only travel in colder waters to build its hull back up.

The idea was about creating torpedo proof aircraft carriers during WW2 originally.


36 posted on 02/16/2011 6:57:44 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: Eye of Unk

I meant to say a mile long steel hulled ship would be too expensive, a wooden one would be feasible.


37 posted on 02/16/2011 7:00:09 AM PST by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: mcshot
how do we get rid of the a—holes

Something the founders should have put into the Constitution: knock one month off a prisoner's sentence for getting sterlized. It would have managed things, but Democrats would never have allowed it. They need their voter base.

38 posted on 02/16/2011 7:11:53 AM PST by Reeses
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To: mcshot

Get back to basics. Get back to principle. Start over.


39 posted on 02/16/2011 7:12:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance (I don't know about you, but we hold these truths to be self-evident...)
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To: NicknamedBob
Ocean waters off the Somali coast would offer a mild climate.

... and antidotes for boredom.

40 posted on 02/16/2011 7:15:54 AM PST by Interesting Times (WinterSoldier.com. SwiftVets.com. ToSetTheRecordStraight.com.)
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