Posted on 02/14/2011 7:51:47 AM PST by Kaslin
CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, has been an annual gig for me for years. But this year I concluded it was not my place and I declined to participate in the various venues at the event for which I was invited.
Yes, the reason I declined was the inclusion of GOProud, a group identifying itself as representing “gay conservatives and their allies,” as a sponsor of the event.
And it’s the reason why some of the nation’s most important conservative organizations – the Heritage Foundation, the American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, Family Research Council, Media Research Center, and the National Organization for Marriage - did not participate.
The founder and chairman of GOProud removed any doubt on my part that not participating was the correct decision by dismissing these groups as “losers,” “clowns,” and “not relevant.”
I, of course, have been accused of being worse than a clown. The barrage regularly comes in from the left. But this is a first that I’ve had to listen to this kind of stuff from a group that postures as “conservative.”
I became a conservative in church. I thought I was doing okay in my previous life - scamming the welfare system, going to the beach, soaking in my welfare subsidized hot tub, treating sex as a hobby, and abortion as birth control.
In our culture today that views material prosperity as the ultimate barometer of success, the truth is becoming unfortunately lost that the evil man can prosper. And if there is nothing more than what is before our eyes in this world, what does it matter?
When I understood how the culture of welfare state materialism was destroying not just my life, but all of black America, there was no dividing line in my mind between “social issues” and “economic issues.” The only dividing line I saw was between right and wrong, good and evil.
The idea of “gay conservative” is an oxymoron.
“Gay” is everything that “conservative” is not.
The foundation of the world view that so-called “gay conservatives” embrace has far more in common with liberalism than with conservatism.
It’s a world view that is man-centered rather than God-centered. It is a world view that rejects eternal truths passed on from the beginning of time. Although the world view that “gay conservatives” choose to invent may diverge from the world view of liberals, their common ground is they make it all up.
And it is here where “gay conservatives” and “liberals” fundamentally depart from conservatives.
Conservatives believe that there are objective and eternal truths, not of the product of any individual human mind, that are transmitted through the generations. Culture is not like HDTV or iPhones where the newest model is the best.
These eternal truths provide the light in the fog that keeps us from crashing on the rocky shores where our base instincts lead us.
“Gay” is liberal, not conservative, regardless of what their stand may be on government spending or taxes.
It’s why, like all liberals, they use language to create reality, rather than appreciate that words have meaning that reflect reality.
So they have re-invented the word “gay,” re-invented the word “marriage”, and now they want to re-invent the word “conservative.”
Finally, we will re-invent the word “freedom” and we’ll put the final stamp on the idea that a free society, rather than being the path to truth, is the path to meaninglessness.
What individuals choose in private, and for which they bear personal responsibility, is separate from what we sanction publicly for which we all must bear responsibility.
A value-neutral government is impossible. The central battle in our country today is about values and how we understand freedom. It is a battle for our very soul. And, as we learned from CPAC, it’s not a struggle that is just between Democrats and Republicans.
Should the states also outlaw business on Sunday? they all did that too, until the 1970’s, and 1980’s.
Oh yeah?
Making any and all drugs legal, any and all prostitution legal, homosexual marriage, adoption and any and all “gay” rights legal, and any and all pornography legal Iincluding anywhere, such as on buses) is the “heart of conservatism”?
Those agendas are part of the official Libertarian Party platform.
Talking Federal here, the states can do as their constitutions permit, but where in the Constitution does the Federal goverment get the authority to do any of that?
States? States can outlaw business on Sunday if the people in the State want to. They vote for State legislators and have referenda.
If they want to, why not? You think States should be forbidden from making a law like that?
Again a question that seems falsely premised. How about the government carry out the will of the people? That would be refreshing. Many people would outlaw homosexual sex just as they do now outlaw any number or morally bankrupt activities. The People are where the power comes from NOT the government.
As far as the 'legality' of homosexual sex goes OTHER than the same privacy penumbra that baby killers hide under where exactly does this right to engage in homosexual sex come from? If not from the Creator or from the people THEN WHERE does the government get such authority?
That created a problem of religious freedom, and the First Amendment, but if the states Constitutions permit, they can do it, but that isn’t what I asked. I asked if you think they should.
States or fedgov wasn’t the point. The point is that those agendas are part of the Official Libertarian Party Platform.
Which you state is the “heart of conservatism”.
I asked the opinion of whoever I was replying to, just the opinion.
I really don’t care if they do or not. Doesn’t hurt me either way.
I’m not a member of that party. I’m sure you will find a lot of things that Republicans do that you don’t agree with. Are you a Republican?
Okay, so you don’t agree with the official Libertarian Party Platform? What part or parts that I listed above do you disagree with?
“I really don’t care if they do or not. Doesn’t hurt me either way.”
then, what’s your point? If you don’t want to ban it, then why are you and your friends screaming about it. Maybe if you don’t care if they ban it, you are encouraging it.
Libertarians are social liberals.
You like libertarianism but don’t like the LP platform?
You should make yourself clear.
Just curious. Which bedrock principles of conservatism?
Are you on drugs?
I was clearly replying to your query about whether State governments could make a law closing businesses on Sundays.
Do you know how to post comments, check replies, and so on?
By 1949, the word 'gay' had already been linked to homosexuals for several decades.
Perhaps my statement was rather presumptuous. I shouldn’t make such claims, as I don’t speak for anyone other than myself.
That said, I was referring to the importance of family values, which I consider to include marriage being between one man and one woman.
While all but one have avoided any vocal support for the concept of homosexual marriage, the very nature of their homosexuality provides a potential opposition to the institution of marriage.
Sorry, I’m at work, and switching back and forth between productive endeavors and posting. I was trying to get a feel for the consensus about how far government should go in enforcing moral behavior.
Liberals go as far as they can in enforcing their own morality - recycling, saving the planet, hate speech, gun control etc. I’m just looking to see if being a conservative means the same thing to the people I’m corresponding with. Does it just depend on whose morality the government is enforcing?
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