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To: BlackjackPershing
Thank you for the reasoned response.

I have never once heard Ron Paul advocate weak national security or military strength. As for engagement, he has quite clearly stated that we should remain engaged, not isolated. (Please don't tell us that you don't know the difference between isolationism and non-interventionism.)

I've never been a part of Ron Paul's campaigns and I can't speak for him, but my understanding is that he believes in a strong defense, just not foreign adventurism and giving American tax dollars and blood for others' benefit.

In addition, the injection of Gay Rights is a non-starter and will splinter the Republican Party. I do not endorse special rights for sexual preferences.

Agreed. There's absolutely no reason a secular government should be involved in a religious sacrament. The government shouldn't provide special rights for sexual preference.

You go down that road and I see no problem with polygamy, since there is an historical basis for that with the Mormons.

The history of Mormon polygamy includes breaking of prior arrangements (taking one man's wife to give her to another). Please be sure you're not conflating those types of problems with how such things as line marriages might be arranged (e.g., see The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, by Robert A. Heinlein). Again, the religious aspect is religious. If there's a civil arrangement made with the secular government, then breaks in the arrangement would be violations of legal contract and the participants would be protected.

Where do you draw the line if you start recognizing special rights based on sexual preference...

Exactly.

I know that my positions are more conservative and classic Republican than many FReepers, but I submit that I am more in line with American history than others are.




"That intervention is not now, never was, and never will be a set policy of the United States is one of the most important facts President-elect Hoover has made clear." --The New York Times, 1928

I forget...was Hoover a Republican or Democrat?

119 posted on 02/12/2011 9:59:01 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

HUH??
Ron Paul’s connection to anti-war types is clearly historically accurate, especially recently with the traitor ADAM KOKESH::

From: “” <>
To: ronpaul-769@meetup.com
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:33:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [ronpaul-769] Adam Kokesh Needs Your Urgent Help!

Read all about it:

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/066220-2010-03-15-adam-kokesh-needs-your-help.htm

Make some phone calls for Adam if you have the time - please?

Thank you for whatever you can do to help,

Ed
****************

Getting wind of that e-mail is what woke me up to the Libertarian takeoer of the Connecticut Tea Party::

************************

THIS E-MAIL IS ABOUT PETER SCHIFF, the Connecticut candidate for Senate.

http://omgili.com/kokesh-rand-schiff#

In the last two weeks, I have been working on keeping New Mexico voters aware of an EX-Marine named Adam Kokesh who is running for the national Congressional seat in the Farmington New Mexico area.
http://kokeshforcongress.com/

Kokesh is a member of IVAW, (Iraq Veterans Against the War). He openly marched in demonstrations against his country after returning from Iraq. He was arrested for bringing an illegal weapon to a college campus and having it stolen from his car, and then had a Military trial and lost a stripe for it since he brought it back illegally from Iraq.
http://www.holidaydmitri.com/kokesh.html

Kokesh went to an Army base and openly stood in a Chow Hall and videotaped himself calling on the troops to desert in time of War and posted in online and on the IVAW blog under his own name.
http://www.ivaw.org/node/787

Kokesh also led a demonstration in DC in front of a recruiting station where his public stated goal was to prevent any recruiting from going on that day. Kokesh’s accomplices that day berated several Blue Star Mothers, (Mothers of Soldiers/Marines/Airmen/Sailors serving in time of war) and told them their sons should die in Iraq.
http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=25&sid=1368458
First hand witness accounts here :
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1988355/posts
Video taken by the Left Wing protesters is found here:
http://vimeo.com/2561824
http://www.dc-sds.org/ (see the bottom of the page)

They did this in the presence of Kokesh and with his approval. After this verbal abuse, the protestors broke the windows of the recruiting station. Kokesh left the scene and participated in a die in. He also led IVAW members through the streets of DC wearing uniforms of our military service while he still had reserve time to finish before his time of Military obligations were over.

He was asked about this by a Marine officer who wanted to determine why he did what he did and were the allegations true. Kokesh admitted this was true and told the Major to GO F__ HIMSELF in his e-mail response. He ALSO posted that e-mail exchange online on the IVAW website.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/17/adam-kokesh-when-injustice-becomes-law-resistance-becomes-duty/
http://www.ivaw.org/node/639

A website was created in the last 2 weeks to expose this fraud in an attempt to derail his candidacy in New Mexico. That website is found here:
http://americanpatriotsagainstkokesh.wordpress.com/
Please go there to see the information we have gathered, to include photographs and videos of him at these events.

Since investigating this man, I have repeatedly found references to Peter Schiff next to Adam Kokesh. I realize that Schiff was a Ron Paul supporter, but I was unaware until the last few days just how much Ron Paul was connected to both of them.

I agreed to support our endorsement of Peter Schiff for the sole reason that I thought a RINO like Rob Simmons was bad for our nation. However, I must completely remove my support knowing now that Schiff’s associations, even by proxy, are with an organization that openly supports a traitor, Adam Kokesh.

The words of Navy SEAL Commander, Capt Larry Baily speak it well for me. The details of this letter written by Capt Baily are verifiable by anyone who desires to look:
http://gatheringofeaglesnc.org/blog1.php/2010/02/24/an-open-letter-on-adam-kokesh

Peter Schiff is joined at the hip of Adam Kokesh and the Ron Paul political types. I find that form of governing to be an abomination, one that I will choose a RINO over any day before I vote for someone who openly supports treason, either directly or by proxy. Schiff’s association with Ron Paul and Kokesh are undeniable, for they attended the same events and are on the same videos from these events and have appeared together on Judge Napolitano’s Webcast TV show together endorsing each other through their presence and associations.
http://bytestyle.tv/content/freedom-watch-23-judge-napolitano-ron-paul-peter-schiff-adam-kokesh-more

I will openly oppose anyone who supports Peter Schiff from this day forward for these reasons. This is not a joke nor is it intended to be a threat, but I guarantee you, any organization that endorses Peter Schiff will be exposed for endorsing the traitor, Adam Kokesh, either by direct action or by proxy.

As one of the original founders of the Hartford Tea Party, I wish no ill will nor do I desire to see a split, but this is an issue where I must draw the line. This is not a negotiable issue for me. This is about treason and the supporting of a traitor through association.

Peter Schiff’s association with Ron Paul bothered me because Ron Paul is someone who once had great ideas but has most recently joined hands with 9/11 truthers. He is also a believer in aliens and UFO’s, something I find to be in interesting topic and fun to watch on movies but logically absurd. To know fully, and with video evidence and open plain stated testimony by the men themselves available, association with any of Ron Paul’s people is an association with the suborning of treason by it’s connection to Adam Kokesh.

If necessary, I will resign from the Tea Party but I will refuse to be silent if the endorsement for Peter Schiff goes forward.

Please consider my words. Think real hard. We all know our nation is at stake, but I will NOT support anyone who supports treason in any form or ignore it for political expediency.

James Bancroft


172 posted on 02/13/2011 5:02:40 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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