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In The Streets Of Cairo, Proof Bush Was Right
The Washington Post ^ | Jan 30, 2011 | Elliott Abrams

Posted on 02/12/2011 5:54:04 PM PST by Wpin

Bush adviser says Obama should have listened to the former president

For decades, the Arab states have seemed exceptions to the laws of politics and human nature. While liberty expanded in many parts of the globe, these nations were left behind, their "freedom deficit" signaling the political underdevelopment that accompanied many other economic and social maladies. In November 2003, President George W. Bush asked these questions:

"Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism? Are they alone never to know freedom and never even to have a choice in the matter?"

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To: Wpin
These are from your "freedom fighter" Facebook Day of Rage promos....backed by Code Pink, Unions and the MB.

Wise up, you're making a fool of yourself:

Google day of rage and see how many hits you get. This is all being highly organized by the left and the MB.

WAKE UP!!!!

21 posted on 02/12/2011 6:29:16 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

Bush had the wisdom to conduct diplomacy quietly behind closed doors. Obama embarrasses leaders of nations on the world stage.


22 posted on 02/12/2011 6:30:09 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Engineer_Soldier
Bush’s middle east policy is bi-polar at best and plain stupid. In fact, Bush’s presidency over-all was very lib-tarded and we are defending the likes of Bush (such as McCain, et al) to this day. I hope never to have another Bush mid-east policy in place (although superior to Obama’s).

I have said it before. Bush was the last moderate Democrat.

23 posted on 02/12/2011 6:30:43 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine. - R.E.M.)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

Let’s see...liberated over 50 million people from dictatorships, pushed for a renaissance of private ownership in the US, defended at every opportunity each individuals right to life, attempted to give private ownership to part of social security, espoused the belief that liberty was a right given to each individual (on the planet) from God. Yes, I can see where you think President Bush was not conservative...


24 posted on 02/12/2011 6:30:57 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Wpin

"Engagement" has not been the problem, but rather the administration's insistence on engaging with regimes rather than with the people trying to survive under them.

Interesting comment by Elliott Abrams, esteemed member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the very set of elitists who indulge regularly and systematically in exactly what he vilifies - interdiction in the management of others lives.

And be it regime, or, the people surviving under it, that interdiction is clear and understandably resented by all, rulers or ruled. The world is not blind.

A leader is not one who interferes in other thinking peoples' lives; but rather one who lives the courage of example; Christ for instance, or Star Trek's Prime Directive, or the USA as circumspect and living within its own resources.

As is always the case with the CFR, Mr. Abrams cannot see the forest for the elitist globalist trees around him.

Johnny Suntrade

25 posted on 02/12/2011 6:35:10 PM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Wpin
Elliott Abrams, a senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, was a deputy national security adviser in the George W. Bush administration.

If you think a fellow of the CFR writing in the Washington Post is going to allay fears amongst conservatives you truly are delusional. This is why there will be no peace in the Middle East:


26 posted on 02/12/2011 6:36:20 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Wpin

When the women pull the rags off their heads they are liberated. That is the only way they can have a mutual agreement.


27 posted on 02/12/2011 6:40:11 PM PST by Anna W
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To: bereanway

“Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe - because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty,” Bush said. “As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment and violence ready for export.”

“So long as the Arabs fight tribe against tribe, so long will they be a little people, a silly people — greedy, barbarous and cruel,”

- T. E Lawrence


28 posted on 02/12/2011 6:41:19 PM PST by maxsand
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To: Engineer_Soldier

Most stopped defending him years ago.


29 posted on 02/12/2011 6:44:59 PM PST by 03A3
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To: Wpin
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property‹either as a child, a wife, or a concubine ‹must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science‹the science against which it had vainly struggled ‹the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Chrchill

When they dump islam, maybe there will be freedom.

30 posted on 02/12/2011 6:48:44 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The Tree of Liberty did not grow from an ACORN!)
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To: BushCountry
I too have my fears, but if Democracy breaks out throughout the Middle-east, President Bush deserves the credit.

I've maintained that GW Bush will be remembered by history as a great president. A part of that will be if people of the Middle East who desire freedom emulate Iraq and not Iran. Hopefully, Egypt will be the first Bush Doctrine success following Iraq.

31 posted on 02/12/2011 6:51:42 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Wpin

nice article


32 posted on 02/12/2011 6:52:09 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Wpin
Let’s see...liberated over 50 million people from dictatorships, pushed for a renaissance of private ownership in the US, defended at every opportunity each individuals right to life, attempted to give private ownership to part of social security, espoused the belief that liberty was a right given to each individual (on the planet) from God. Yes, I can see where you think President Bush was not conservative....

He ran on "no nation building" and not being the world's police men, which are conservative Constitutionalist ideas. But he invaded Iraq for no reason and sought to be the world's police (just as Clinton and his dad had done) to the point that we, as a nation, are almost bankrupt.

In addition to his failed world police vision, he tried amnesty for law breaking illegals, saw the biggest expansion ever of federal governmental power, and presided over the largest budgets in U.S. history (until Obama broke his records). Bush is the reason the Tea Party was born; we were tired of not having any advocate for the Constitution as the Republican party had lost its way.

33 posted on 02/12/2011 6:55:30 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier
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To: Engineer_Soldier

I bet you are a Ron Paul peasant...you are so very wrong about President Bush and history.


34 posted on 02/12/2011 6:59:08 PM PST by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: upsdriver
Hopefully, Egypt will be the first Bush Doctrine success following Iraq.

Success in Iraq? Have you been there? I have. It's by far not a success, especially when you factor in the cost of American lives and wealth. Iraq will go down as one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in American history.

35 posted on 02/12/2011 7:06:30 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Wpin
I bet you are a Ron Paul peasant...you are so very wrong about President Bush and history.

No, I don't think Paul has a chance at winning. I'm just a plain old Constitutionalist who believes in the founders' vision of America and her sovereign states. Bush was certainly no Constitutionalist and was very far left of what our founders wanted.

36 posted on 02/12/2011 7:10:29 PM PST by Engineer_Soldier ("Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto." Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Wpin
Are the peoples of the Middle East somehow beyond the reach of liberty? Are millions of men and women and children condemned by history or culture to live in despotism?

They are condemned by history and culture (Islam) to live in despotism. Only someone so naive as to call Islam a religion of peace could believe otherwise.
37 posted on 02/12/2011 7:10:59 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: youngidiot

“The only revolution that turned out for the better was the American Revolution”

That’s because it was a war for independence rather than a social revolution.

The colonies had been largely self-governing for years. The British governors were an unwanted overlay. The founders didn’t have to invent a governing system from scratch, they simply built on the burgesses and town councils that already existed.


38 posted on 02/12/2011 7:16:34 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: cripplecreek

“Men with such radically diverse ideals and political views could have never held together “

They were hardly radically diverse. Read what John Jay had to say about his fellow Americans in Federalist Paper #2:

“With equal pleasure I have as often taken notice that Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs, and who, by their joint counsels, arms, and efforts, fighting side by side throughout a long and bloody war, have nobly established general liberty and independence.”

http://www.americanhistorycentral.com/entry.php?rec=455


39 posted on 02/12/2011 7:20:59 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“I don’t believe it can happen. Democracy is too alien a concept to that culture. And very few westerners have any understanding of their culture.

I’ll be happy to be proven incorrect. But I won’t be. “

My money’s on you.


40 posted on 02/12/2011 7:22:14 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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