Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

'Egypt losing control of Sinai to Beduin'
JPost ^ | 2/13/11 | YAAKOV KATZ

Posted on 02/12/2011 5:53:25 PM PST by Tigen

Israelis urged to return home for fear that peninsula will become launching pad for terror attacks as police abandon posts, facing increasing violence.

Concern is mounting in Israel over reports that the Egyptian police force has abandoned the Sinai Peninsula in face of growing Beduin violence, and that the territory will turn into a breeding ground for global jihad.

According to information that has arrived in Israel, Egyptian police authorities have abandoned dozens of police stations throughout the peninsula after they were attacked by Beduin armed with missiles and assault rifles.

This concern was behind Israel’s decision two weeks ago to allow the deployment of 800 Egyptian soldiers in Sharm e-Sheikh and Rafah.

Additional requests since then have been rejected.

In recent years, the Sinai hasturned into a launching pad for attacks against Israel, including by Hamas, which several months ago launched Katyusha rockets into Eilat from the Egyptian territory.

The Egyptian military has for years encountered difficulty in controlling the Beduin population, which does not hold allegiance to the Egyptian government in Cairo.

“The Sinai is already known as a lawless land,” a senior defense official said over the weekend. “There is real concern that if the Egyptians don’t get the Sinai back under their control, it could develop into a major threat to Israel.”

Israel, which has urged all its citizens to leave the Sinai immediately, is particularly concerned about the possibility that Hamas will take hold of parts of the peninsula and use it to launch attacks into Israel via the 240-kilometer long Israeli- Egyptian border, with an emphasis on Eilat.

There is also concern that without a real Egyptian security presence in the Sinai, Hamas will be able to increase the amount and quality of weaponry and explosives it smuggles into the Gaza Strip via Egypt.

Israel has shared these concerns with its allies, as well as on a personal level between Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen.

Gabi Ashkenazi and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen.


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bedouin; beduin; egypt; energy; eritrea; gaza; hamas; iran; israel; jihad; jordan; methane; muhammadan; muslimbrotherhood; obama; opec; petroleum; pipeline; russia; sinai; sudan; syria; waronterror; yemen
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last
To: PIF
The Bedouin were there before there was a modern Egypt.

There are documents holding specific Bedouin families that region dating to the 9th Century. As you probably know, with all the BS trying to establish a "Palestinian" people, there has also been a fair bit of hereditary work performed in that area. There is mt-DNA evidence of Canaanitic bloodlines in some Bedouin families, indicating far more ancient origins. Yet what defines a nomadic people is more than blood, but lifestyle and culture that remains in one region with specific people who migrate over fair distances upon occasion, just as we see the Ya'akov and his family in Bereshit. In that respect there have been herders of similar attributes in that region for as long as we can detect human influence, the only serious cultural break of which I am aware being the introduction of Islam.

Cain is the wanderer as soon as he wrecks his soil.

BTW, I scanned your page. You might want to take a look at excerpts from my first book that deals directly with the issues of eco-thugs and anadromous fish in coastal California.

61 posted on 02/13/2011 7:15:44 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: PIF

Egypt can declare the Sinai a territory and sell it to Israel. Clean deal, and it would solve a host of problems.


62 posted on 02/13/2011 7:32:37 AM PST by bioqubit
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie
Egypt goes back thousands of years which is what I meant by “modern” Egypt. The Bedouins only go back by a mere 12 hundred years.

“Palestinian” people, aka southern Syrians, Egyptians, etc.

**
Your page is interesting. There is a lot more to the story than you recount. The story needs to have the old Washington Dept of Fisheries actions added. Without that bit, much of what you recount would not have occurred, or at least much slower.

The deconstruction and destruction of commercial fisheries is not confined to salmon or the West Coast. Nor are the forces confined to one political party or the other, but both; every US President since Eisenhower has stood firmly with these forces.

**
In the early days of seal research in Washington State, so called volunteer biologists would collect seal scat off log rafts during the winter - oddly enough at the same time True Cod runs were passing. Then these same “volunteers” wrote definitive pieces claiming seals ate cod and clams, never salmon. This worked to convince the public via the media that the true enemy of healthy salmon runs were evil commercial salmon fishermen.

But truth be told, all this was merely the means and method to an end. None but blind, useful idiots among them cared a wit about salmon of any flavor.

Naturally, no one listened. And as I said recently in some other post, no one listens still. I've pretty much given up beating a dead horse, but guys like G. H. Lovgren at SwedesDock and Nils Stolpe over at FishNet USA continue the good fight.

Perhaps some day, in some other time people will listen, but not today. Today it is football and islamic revolutions, tomorrow something else to distract the public.

Yesterday's two column inch B-2 Section story no one cares about or reads, becomes today's major political methodology, springing full-blown on the scene, like Aphrodite from the head of Zeus.

63 posted on 02/13/2011 9:19:30 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: PIF
Your page is interesting. There is a lot more to the story than you recount.

The book is built around a local case to illustrate general principles; that's why it's not there. I assume you know Jim Buchal? His book, The Great Salmon Hoax, covers a lot of that story.

The deconstruction and destruction of commercial fisheries is not confined to salmon or the West Coast. Nor are the forces confined to one political party or the other, but both; every US President since Eisenhower has stood firmly with these forces.

No disagreement there. It's part of taking care of our creditors, and but one reason why the Department of State figures so heavily in fisheries "management."

None but blind, useful idiots among them cared a wit about salmon of any flavor.

Most were seeking to suckle off mommy government for fun and profit. The really bad guys like Glenn Spain and Zeke Grader are working for the UN/global corporatist food control enemy. Did you know that Tyson Foods was making donations to PCFFA?

64 posted on 02/13/2011 10:01:58 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

Glenn Spain and Zeke Grader really hate me. I exposed them in public once - they went ballistic on me... to no effect other than make themselves look like idiots and prove my point.


65 posted on 02/13/2011 10:46:10 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

..................

Need another wall

66 posted on 02/13/2011 10:54:46 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

I assume you know Jim Buchal? His book, The Great Salmon Hoax, covers a lot of that story.

No I do not. By the time he arrived (1991) the story was mostly over. He researched it, I lived it. He looks at salmon from an environmental and politcal perspective, I look at it from a human, Constitutional, and fishery perspective.

By staring his book in 1991, he missed most of the important stuff which took place 15-20 years prior. By then most of that was either accepted or forgotten.

His major focus is on the Columbia River and dams. The real story took place further north, in Puget Sound. The fishermen he looks at mostly were no help in the real battles, even hindering because they imagined they would be an exception...


67 posted on 02/13/2011 10:57:49 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Melchior

Weren’t the American soldiers killed in the plane crash in Gander, Newfoundland, in December 1985, members of a peacekeeping force stationed in the Sinai?


68 posted on 02/13/2011 11:07:19 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: PIF
The fishermen he looks at mostly were no help in the real battles, even hindering because they imagined they would be an exception...

Then to become victims of the old divide-and-conquer strategy they didn't recognize in operation. Small organic farmers just fell afoul of that one when they shut up to the SB-510 "food safety" bill once they got an exemption. Idiots.

69 posted on 02/13/2011 11:17:35 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: pieceofthepuzzle

that’s right, it’s really simple, good people don’t think like evil people, it never even crosses our minds to do what they are about, day and night


70 posted on 02/13/2011 1:18:19 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

Idiots.-— to say the least!

BTW did you get to Klamath Falls when the feds shut the gates?


71 posted on 02/13/2011 4:23:22 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: PIF
Yep, met the turncoat agent provacateur in charge too.
72 posted on 02/13/2011 5:08:14 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

We must have been there at or near the same time - July/August, I think. I was with a writer/editor for a small paper called the Columbia (something) ... Diana White Horse Capp who later wrote a book called Brother Against Brother: America’s New War Over Land Rights.


73 posted on 02/13/2011 5:44:25 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Art in Idaho; Errant
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that Israel still has the Golan Heights because Syria has steadfastly refused to conclude a peace treaty. The Gaza Strip has been turned over to Palestine as has most, but not all of the West Bank. Since Hamas has abrogated the peace treaty by using these areas for launching pads for terrorist attacks, Israel would be justified in reoccupying them at anytime. A large concrete wall, however, has reduced the number of attacks from what they once were. Nonetheless, the wall alone does little or nothing to prevent artillery, missile, RPG attacks and the like.

During the 1973 war, the Israeli army also occupied the west bank of the Suez Canal. Should Egypt abrogate the peace treaty, as now seems likely, not only the Sinai but the west bank of the Suez Canal would be subject to forfeit if Israel can reconquer it.

74 posted on 02/13/2011 6:26:53 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: PIF
Perhaps you remember this.
75 posted on 02/13/2011 6:46:51 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 73 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman; Art in Idaho
Israel still controls a large portion of the Golan. Some time back, they gave up an addition small percentage. I believe it was about a five mile strip which became a DMZ.

I don't think Israel would ever give up all of the Golan due to primarily a tactical disadvantage of losing the high ground. The Golan is also a valuable source of water and farm land. For Israel to give it up, it would require an extraordinarily advantageous peace treaty.

The West Bank gets its name from being on the west bank of the Jordan river (I believe) and borders Jeruselum on three sides. If Israel gives up Jerusalem, God isn't going to be happy.

The Sinai borders the Suez in its entirety. Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, after capturing it in 1973, as incentive for Egypt to agree to the terms of the 1979 Camp David Peace Accords.

Egyptian president Anwar Sadat at the time, was later assassinated (some say) by the Muslim Brotherhood. Mubarak then became the leader of Egypt until his recent ouster.

76 posted on 02/13/2011 7:06:30 PM PST by Errant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: Errant

As you can see by the map above, Israel was well on its way to cutting off and isolating the Egyptian army on the east side of the Suez Canal. This was made possible by a daring crossing of the Gulf of Suez on the south end and a rapid advance northward of the Israeli army.

Had the UN not stepped in to bring about a cease fire and effectively restore the status quo from the end of the Six Day War, it is likely the Israeli army would have controlled both side of the Suez Canal for its entire length. In such case, Israel would have likely guaranteed safe repatriation of the isolated Egyptian army on the east side of the Suez in return for territorial control over the west side of the Suez.

The UN intervened, of course, to prevent just such an outcome.

77 posted on 02/13/2011 8:38:45 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Vigilanteman
This was made possible by a daring crossing of the Gulf of Suez on the south end and a rapid advance northward of the Israeli army.

I had forgotten that bit of history. Thanks for mentioning it! Nice map.

Any idea where Israel could evacuate its city populations to?

78 posted on 02/13/2011 8:46:10 PM PST by Errant
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

No sorry, that was before my FR days. I had very little time to surf the web in those days.


79 posted on 02/14/2011 4:12:40 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Errant
Sorry, my memory wasn't perfect. The initial Israeli army crossing was not at the south end by the Gulf of Suez. It was at the north end of Great Bitter Lake near the south end of the Suez Canal. I was in high school at the time with a keen interest in military history and operations.

Realistically, I don't think Israel could evacuate more than a small share of its urban population to the desert. The infrastructure just isn't there. But I could be wrong.

80 posted on 02/14/2011 7:07:40 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson