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A city defined (Detroit can be saved by Smart Growth)
Boston Globe ^ | 2/12/2011 | Renée Loth

Posted on 02/11/2011 9:28:43 PM PST by wheresmyusa

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To: wheresmyusa

“But Katz would broaden the lens to include a new economic plan for the whole nation. For too long, he says, America’s economic policy has focused on consumption, home ownership, and the financial industry.”

Wow. God forbid we have food, a home or a job.

It sends a shiver down my terrified spine that these Obama Regime monsters are in power.


41 posted on 02/11/2011 10:13:39 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Nope. Farmington and Livonia. And before that Lincoln Park.


42 posted on 02/11/2011 10:14:01 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Army Air Corps
Even back in 1963, Bobby Bare sized up the despair in Detroit City:

By day, I make the cars,
by night I make the bars.

43 posted on 02/11/2011 10:20:24 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

LOL! I love how libs when they have no idea how to fix anything, usually by getting the hell out of the way, they say we need to do it “smarter.”

Detroit was a textbook example (not the propaganda textbooks in public schools) - on how liberalism, unions and corruption destroy everything like the plague.


44 posted on 02/11/2011 10:20:26 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: wheresmyusa
Smart Growth is a code term for socialist urban development. The socialists aim is to confine citizens to dense cities relying on mass transportation to move around. They have enacted programs nationwide where they screw up the roads with roundabouts, bumpouts, add crooks to straight roads, speed bumps, bicycle lanes and anything else that frustrates car drivers.

Smart Growth is antithetical to human nature where most would prefer to live in a suburban or country setting. Be well aware your tax money is being spent to drag you into the cities.

45 posted on 02/11/2011 10:22:06 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: wheresmyusa
Smart Growth is a code term for socialist urban development. The socialists aim is to confine citizens to dense cities relying on mass transportation to move around. They have enacted programs nationwide where they screw up the roads with roundabouts, bumpouts, add crooks to straight roads, speed bumps, bicycle lanes and anything else that frustrates car drivers.

Smart Growth is antithetical to human nature where most would prefer to live in a suburban or country setting. Be well aware your tax money is being spent to drag you into the cities.

46 posted on 02/11/2011 10:22:11 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: re_nortex
As long ago as 1979 when business took me to Detroit (when there was still business to be done there), I was appalled to find that a Wendy's restaurant had the counter staff working behind bulletproof glass. You placed your order and it was delivered via a lazy susan-type of arrangement. That's over 30 years ago and I can only imagine how this Socialist cesspool has gotten worse since then.

I went to Detroit on business in the mid 1980s.

The hotel had free newspapers, and on the front page was a story about a well-know local heroin dealer who had bee found dead. On page one, the story said that speculation was that the cause of his death was switching from selling "Johnny Sunshine" brand heroin, to "Whipcracker" brand.

The whole concept of this being front-page news was alien to my thought process. But, the revelation that heroin was sold under brand names in Detroit convinced me that the entire city was gone beyond any hope of recovery.

47 posted on 02/11/2011 10:28:14 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Lazlo in PA

Have you watched any of the videos on You Tube? Falluhja (sp?) in Iraq probably is nicer than Detroit or Camden, NJ.


48 posted on 02/11/2011 10:38:36 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: MarMema
As a Station Wagon guy, Livonia is the holy land. All GM and a couple Detroit companies had the furniture makers in that town make the wood part and later the steel part of wagons for sale. I love wagans,


49 posted on 02/11/2011 10:38:36 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Do not apologize to me my FRiend. I live on the outskirts of Allentown PA. The home of industrial rot. I would love to live down your way. Snow sucks. Unemployment and low housing prices are even worse.

My tale has been told in other posts but I'll share it here again since this thread concerning Detroit seems appropriate.

I'm from Pittsburgh -- born and raised there. Several decades ago, I finally got fed up with the entrenched DemonRAT machine controlling Allegheny County and the city (Connie Scully, David Lawrence, Joe Barr and Pete Flaherty were the RAT mayors during my time there).

Likewise, although I'm proud of getting a union decertified at my workplace, I was just getting too old for the fight against union thugs. I also grew to despise the anti-capitalist, anti-business attitudes that pervades much of the working class in western Pennsylvania. They still blame the collapse of the steel industry on the "big shots" instead of realizing that big labor and exorbitant wages and benefits made it uncompetitive.

I actually wrote a Fortran program years ago to find the place in the lower 48 that would most appeal to me. After sifting through the considerable data on the Hollerith cards, the ancient IBM/1130 indicated that the Dallas, Texas area would be best for me. It's pretty good here and I have no desire whatsoever to return to Pennsylvania for more than a quick visit.

In fact, last summer was my first time back in some 25 years as part of a vacation that included Western Pennsylvania on the itinerary. I was struck by just how dreary Pittsburgh was, the state of the worn-out housing stock (aside from some nice areas in Cranberry) and the terrible shape of the pothole-filled roads. The only thing I found appealing after living here in Texas for so long is that virtually no one speaks Spanish. It was a nice change to go into an Eat 'n Park and not hear a word of that jibberish by either the waitstaff or the customers.

50 posted on 02/11/2011 10:39:16 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Spent a lot of my childhood at Pontiac Lake. My parents liked waterskiing.


51 posted on 02/11/2011 10:43:05 PM PST by MarMema
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To: re_nortex

BS. Texas is infested with open-border RINOs like Perry, Kay Bailey, Coryn and others. The GOP is run by LBJ Republicans. This is not a slight against Texas/ns but they need to dump open border RINO scum.

God look what Suzanne Martinez did in her first month in more hispanic NM. She banned D/L for illegals. Rick Perry should stop worry about his hair. HE is a one worlder like the Connecticut Bush clan.


52 posted on 02/11/2011 10:45:41 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“It’s called White Flight.”

Otherwise known as “Ethnic Cleansing”.


53 posted on 02/11/2011 10:48:28 PM PST by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold")
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To: wolficatZ

Hilarious.


54 posted on 02/11/2011 10:49:03 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Frantzie
This is not a slight against Texas/ns but they need to dump open border RINO scum.

I agree. The Messkins are a real problem here and that situation must be addressed. Look what they did to California.

55 posted on 02/11/2011 10:50:03 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Having commuted to Detriot from the east coast for a few years, Detroit is truly an amazing city.

Henry Ford built the Rouge plant, a totally self sufficient auto manufacturing plant. Barges would offload coke and the steel mills created metal; the glass shop made auto glass; the rubber entered the tire department; the spoked wheels were shaped in the wood shop.

Every part, of every automobile, was produced within the confines of the absolutely huge Rouge plant. Model T’s rumbled out of this plant at thousands per day - all hand built, all components produced on site.

To produce so much output Ford needed labor, and they increasingly brought in under-employed blacks from the South, then brought in arabs to supplement his workforce.

The city center is amazing: unbelievable concert halls, beautiful theatres, huge opulent hotels, wide boulevards - mostly built in the 20’s/thirties, some later. The population that remains, lives on the circular ring roads to Detriot: Two mile, three mile; five mile; eight mile,etc, mostly 50/60’s type housing.

Today, all this downtown wealth lies in a pit of sh!t. Unwalkable downtown, poverty abounds all within 1/2 a block of GM headquarters.

If the US were to want to test the effects of an urban nuclear bomb, downtown Detriot is the place to drop it. Yet, it might not be a fair test, since all the bricks, mortar, and concrete that is the hellhole called Detriot is already at least seventy years old.

Incredible city!


56 posted on 02/11/2011 10:51:37 PM PST by Noob1999 (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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To: Frantzie
I need to do this on principal.


57 posted on 02/11/2011 10:53:18 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

That is lovely. Thank you.


58 posted on 02/11/2011 10:54:13 PM PST by MarMema
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To: wheresmyusa
Detroit can only be saved by a series of miracles!

When you leave, DON'T LOOK BACK!

59 posted on 02/11/2011 10:58:08 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: MarMema

Lived in Livonia till I was 13 and graduated high school in Farmington Hills. The riots in 67 and Coleman Young being elected mayor were the death knell for Detroit. I live out West now, but the weird thing is that I find myself defending Michigan and the Detroit area when confronted by the West Coast snobs from Seattle and Portland who have absolutely no idea what the area is like.

When I was a kid you only went to the city on field trips and sporting events if you were a Tigers or Wings fan. It was like a black enclave surrounded by white folks. All of the money fled to the suburbs, where it has pretty much remained. I enjoyed hearing my grandparents talking about what a great city it was in the day. My parents have memories of that greatness too, and of the 82nd Airborne locking the city down during the 67 riots. They blocked liquor sales off and my paternal grandfather went out to Howell to get his supply of spirits.


60 posted on 02/11/2011 10:58:33 PM PST by Feasor13
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