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To: brownsfan

I was of the belief that sunspots = solar flares.

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They are not the same thing but they seem to often be related. Very often when there is a flair it is at or near the place a sunspot is or was. There are a great many number of flares and CME (Coronal Mass Ejections) that happen without any warning from any known disturbance.

As soon as projections are made about the number of sunspots the sun seems to have a sense of humor and prove us wrong.

Lately, ( the last decade) there have been a lot of Global Warming Deniers who have been telling us that we would be having a decrease in the number of sunspots. NASA disregarded them mostly because they didn’t follow the line of global warming. When the Deniers predictions started coming true then NASA started changing the way it counted sunspots so that any (what used to be called) a mole was now counted. One decent place to watch the sun is “http://spaceweather.com/"; It is somewhat objective.

The bottom line is that I believe we have already passed the point that would equal a Dalton and are well into a Maunder type minimum. What could that possibly mean? Frost in the NE USA in July and August. It could mean no wheat from Canada or Siberia. China and Mongolia will not be able to feed themselves. Relations with Russia and China will change dramatically because of their inability to feed themselves.

If I lived above the Ohio river in the east and above northern Utah in the west and I had a choice, I would be moving south.

I hate to sound like a tinfoiler but I am starting to believe it would be wise to get a few years worth of food and the means now to protect it. There will be a lot of bad years. There will always be something to eat if you have some money but some things will just not be available.

During the Maunder there were great upheavals in Europe over a lack of food. There are many millions more people now, food WILL be relatively scarce and expensive. In this country perhaps we will be able to afford expensive gas and food but much of the world won’t and it won’t be pretty and fiat money won’t get you very far.

I’m an old man. I’m not going anywhere but I do hope you will realize what shortening the growing season by 3 or 4 weeks will do to the world.


26 posted on 02/10/2011 1:23:29 PM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

“I’m an old man. I’m not going anywhere but I do hope you will realize what shortening the growing season by 3 or 4 weeks will do to the world.”

Just so you know, when I said sunspots = solar flares, I realized they aren’t the same thing, I just remember reading that sunspots often produce flares.

I am no spring chicken either. And while I’m north of the Ohio River, I’m not going anywhere. My roots here are deep.

I’ve often noted the cruel irony in the AGW crowd’s dire warnings, and the reality of what would happen in a global cooling. In the 1970s we were taught we were well on our way to a man made ice age due to particulate pollution reflecting sunlight. If we do actually enter a cooling, and from what I see here in Ohio, sure looks like it, I understand the catastrophy that it will be for the global food supply.

It is my sincere hope that if we do enter a cooling, and it becomes as chaotic as I would imagine, that the AGW pimps are held accountable for their scams. I’d like nothing better than to see Al Gore flogged in public.


30 posted on 02/10/2011 1:49:14 PM PST by brownsfan (D - swift death of the republic, R - lingering death for the republic.)
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To: JAKraig

Good points.

Finland lost 25% of its population due to starvation during the Mauder Minimum.

Grain grown in the Northern Hemisphere feeds most of the world.

North Africa/Middle East WILL starve.


31 posted on 02/10/2011 1:59:14 PM PST by happygrl
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