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To: savagesusie
Your continued idolization of Freud’s viewpoint is troubling. Not only has his theory been proven to be fraudulent...he is said to have been abused as a child.

people that don't understand Freud's theories are always the first to attack him. The man revolutionized psychology and was a genius by anyone's standard. His theories of the subconscious were/are...revolutionary. I agree with the theories of Erikson and Piaget as well. I find no conflict in any of their theories they all work very well to together. IMO. I feel that Piaget explains normal development well but Freud explains abnormal development better. Erikson was a student of Freud and his theories reflect that in that they explain abnormal development quite well also.

there is a need to put moral restraint on actions....or you would have Darwin’s world—survival of the fittest.

we do live in a "survival of the fittest" world. Fitness, to Darwin meant the creature that most successfully passed its DNA onto offspring for whatever reason. A human that produces 4 children is more fit than a human that produces 3 children for example.

You are telling me that nature goes against nature and creates homosexuals “naturally”.

I'm saying that homosexuality is not as unnatural as you would like to believe especially in children. It is the existence of social taboos that directs the sexual development one way or the other. Violating those taboos can and does change the direction

There are no “normal” children born with a desire to copulate with dogs, babies, men, cadavers, etc.

again with your non-sequitur logical fallacies. homosexuality is not equivalent to pedophilia, bestiality, and/or necrophilia? That being said, I guarantee that, biologically speaking, humans (females primarily) are programmed to copulate well before the legal age of consent. pedophilia is just the taboo name we ascribe to a natural state. I realize that is offensive to consider but it is a well known fact that legal age of consent does not coincide with the biological age of consent.

That is so irrational to think that people are designed to use their bodies in destructive ways.

humans are naturally "designed" to be sexual. Society designs them to be less so.

I disagree that orientation can’t be changed. It has and has been successful in thousands of cases

Not according to the APA. They, like Freud, are disreputable to you I'm sure.

Homosexuality should never be endorsed by a society because it destroys all sexual morality.

You think we would be a moral society if we just discriminated against homosexuals a little harder huh? hmmmm...I don't think so.

You really should read the Pope’s encyclical on Love and Marriage

The pope huh? I'm not even going there.

but you only get totalitarianism in atheist countries and all sorts of inhumanity because there is no moral order.

the Taliban has a fairly strict moral order. they're pretty totalitarian too. Perhaps you should move to Afghanistan. It sounds like you'll fit right in actually.

95 posted on 02/11/2011 6:48:05 PM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

We are a nation of Laws which presuppose a Higher Power. We are a nation under God, not man. Nuremberg Trials repeated that.

You deny our Founding principles—that of laws of nature and God’s law.

You claim there is no God and designer. Men have no design—nature has no design. That is false. Biology proves it. You think “orientation” is genetic when it is not. It is a learned behavior— natures directs the sexual drive towards the opposite sex unless there is interference in the natural development. It could be emotional or physical. That is proven. Homosexual societies always consist of pederasty because it is a learned behavior and why homosexual promoting cultures always lower the age of consent laws so they can legally have boys who are 12 at least. In ancient homosexual civilizations, and afghanistan it is a lot younger.

You claim there are no moral absolutes (human nature can evolve (Marx/irrational). The Founders threw that idea out....they believe in immutable laws and unchanging nature of man.

Our Founders rejected atheism directly and firmly. They knew if we were not a nation under God, we would be left to popular fads and whims of man, like France. They predicted Napoleon.

Nietzsche predicted Stalin Mao, Lenin, Hitler and Pot because he understood that there would be no values under Postmodern German philosophy. That void would create a vacuum and it was the first time man was arrogant enough to actually believe a society could be designed by man. Man was god, so to say, and could make up anything based on nihilism.

Natural Law Theory is the basis of our laws. Homosexuality goes against Natural Law Theory.

If you throw out Natural Law Theory...then there is no logic to your thinking. It is irrational, just like the Postmodern German philosophy. Like I say, remove Natural Law so you can justify homosexual acts and you remove the Supreme Being inherent in Natural Law, but then that is the object of PM—to remove God because you believe by saying something is “good” makes it so-(godless society)-particularly if repeated enough times and taught to children.

America is the most successful government for a free people of all races in the history of the world. Nothing has come close to the outstanding nature of the Capitalism underlined by Christian philosophy.

You want to throw out the best philosophy in government and society (that of Adam Smith, Locke, Montesquieu, to create another Weimar Republic, Soviet Union, Communist China and Cambodia. It’s been done. It didn’t work very well for humanity or freedom of people. It was devastating to the humanity of man.

You actually think our world is Darwinism when we support the unproductive and the single mom’s and allow them to procreate by forcing the producers to fund their degeneracy. That would never happen in the animal kingdom...the weak and unproductive and leaches would die. The strong could take, rape and kill at will.

The philosophies of the people you replace God with, are deeply flawed. Their ideology has created incredibly sick, dependent, dysfunction people. Their philosophy removes all responsibility for one’s actions....particularly Freud’s. I worked with children for decades and have seen the result of their sick nihilism. It makes life meaningless and destructive and as such is exactly as the Pope calls it...the Culture of Death. .


96 posted on 02/11/2011 8:43:29 PM PST by savagesusie
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