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To: savagesusie
Homosexuality is unnatural. It is a learned behavior

I spent the day thinking about your posts. I think you're mostly wrong. Your wrongness all stems from your assumption that the homosexual can choose to be heterosexual. I do not believe that homosexuality is a choice. You may choose to repress your orientation but you can not change your orientation. The only person who would consider it a choice is a person who was actually a homosexual in denial.

By asserting otherwise you are creating the ambivalence that leads to the destructive thought processes and actions in the minds of conflicted homosexuals. What's worse, much worse, is that you have taken a person who is incapable of changing and told him/her that the doors to God's mercy, forgiveness and salvation are closed to them forever. That's the ultimate sin IMO. Your starting, in the name of God, an unwinnable war against God. Nothing constructive will come from that, quite the opposite.

Ultimately, I think I was much closer to the truth than you when I discussed the various aspects of taboo prohibitions, violations, and consequences. This is what has lead to the increased incidence of homosexuality in western society which is, really, nothing more than humans seeking simple sexual gratification (which is what we are biologically inclined to do) and no longer fearing any divine consequences. You can fight it but you can't stop it and, the harder you resist it, the more destructive it will become to society.

This all goes back to another Freud text, "the Future of an Illusion" where Freud discusses what will happen (psychosocially) when it becomes increasingly apparent to mankind that there are no divine consequences, IOW, what happens when the fear of God disappears. According to Freud, God is an "external" coercive force. Once this force disappears, only a strong internal rationalization for repressing the Id will prevent the kind of psychosocial deviations that are becoming increasingly prevalent throughout societies. according to Freud, it was absolutely inevitable that the external coercive influence of God would wane and man would be woefully unprepared to deal with it. You might call this, the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

89 posted on 02/10/2011 9:47:51 PM PST by RC one
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To: RC one

You are in denial. The bonded attached parent (which should be a nursing mother) has incredible power to orient and teach that child about his world and will give him the ability to love himself or hate himself or anything in-between. She even affects the ability of that child to be capable of loving another person. That is fact. Children who have been neglected have whole areas of the brain that are not mapped. They are devoid of the ability to empathize and have any meaningful relationships. So yes, the ability to love is learned and the object of that love is also directed by the parents and culture.

If I had wanted to (I had four boys and one girl), I could have made them into homosexuals by denigrating their sex and making them feel inadequate as a boy or girl. I could have denied male and female role models for them so they would have no idea how to act with members of their own sex or the opposite sex. I could have oriented the boys into non-traditional roles so that they questioned their male-ness and where they would seem odd to their peers and be rejected by them—all would damage their sexual identity. What this really does is make them hate themselves and then they act out....they either are angry and hurt others or they direct the anger at themselves and hurt their own bodies.

Children can not handle rejection at young ages and our society is telling parents it is fine to let strangers take care of their children in the formative years which was thought evil—like the idea of orphanages—until massive indoctrination by media renaming daycares into “pre-schools” It is a con. Children learn best from one on one interaction and with adults to model themselves after in the real world—like the boys on a farm with the father—like the Wright Bros. and Edison who were never separated from their parents until seven.

I suppose you never heard of the serial killer who was dressed as a girl for the first seven years of life. He became a homosexual and the first person he killed was his mother when he was around 18. His rage for going against nature was, of course, severe, but when a child has no real loving parents they become very abnormal as all animal studies show. Neglected infants practice all sorts of anti-social behavior including killing and homosexuality and not being able to reproduce. By the way, the survival instinct is greater than the sexual instinct...that Freud got wrong.

Children who are denied proper environment in the first three years of age can be destroyed in many ways. Children put in closets and the Romanian orphans are not normal, nor natural, around other human beings even after 40 years....yet, it was their first three years when the damage was done to the formation of the brain. Areas of the brain were not mapped. All neuron mapping development takes place in the first three years of life. You are up sh*t creek if you are abused, neglected or highly stressed—all will do damage to the mapping. Trauma is the most damaging. Most male homosexuals are abused physically by older males—who was that congressman caught cheating on his “wife” with a male intern? He claimed he was molested by a 12 year old when he was six and had this uncontrollable urge for sex with boys. It is like the Afghani boys. Sex with men is never a “good”. It is always selfish, idolatry and for one’s lust.

Your definition of “love” is flawed so your premise is flawed. When you truly love someone you sacrifice for them. Male/female relationships always involve sacrifice because they are so different in nature—it takes work to spend time together but sex was the design to keep men available to protect them while they care and raise children. Women are designed by nature to raise children....for survival they need male protection and role models especially for the boys. But girls become abnormal if they have no male role model also.

Children do not thrive to their highest potential when they are products of divorce and single parenthood. All studies prove they are damaged. Stress is known to reduce IQ and emotional health in children. Homosexual cultures are exclusive and sexist and tear apart societies. They are always places of inhuman acts such as child sacrifice, beastiality, orgies...etc. whether we are talking about Weimar Republic, Ancient Greece and Rome, ancient Japan or Thailand. Those cultures foster inequality of the sexes and no worth for children except as sex objects.

Today children are suffering tremendously because of lack of two parent families and fathers. We are seeing all sorts of abnormal and destructive behavior in younger and younger kids. There is a strong need in children to be accepted and loved unconditionally by at least one person in the world. It is much better if it is two and extended grandparents to help. We are putting kids in institutions at young ages-an extremely inhumane thing to take a child away from their security before the age of reason. Lenin is the one who developed the idea of day care to get children away from the “harmful” effects of the ideology of their parents. He wanted to “mold” the “plastic” little minds...and of course, he did make them into useful idiots.

The cultural Marxism that is so prevalent today is destroying the family and Christianity. The homosexuals are used by the communists for that end. Postmodern philosophy is not based on Natural Law Theory which is logic and reason. Ayn Rand condemned the irrational thinking of the Postmoderns and Marx is a big part of that.

There is natural law. All philosophy after Marx and Freud and the Irrational thinkers of the 19th and 20th centuries had a visceral hatred of Christianity...It made them “feel” dirty, I guess. They wanted no control over sex, although even Freud said, you have to have sexual restraints or you will not have a civil society. That is where the cultural Marxists come in—they want to cause a revolution and knew that the only way to do it is to destroy the two pillars that made Western Civilization great: The family and Christianity because both aligned with Natural Law Theory — reason and logic.

I feel sorry for homosexuals, always have—I do not hate them. I dislike their ignorant parents because they had no idea of what they were doing while raising their children. I have ran into extremely ignorant parents...even two parent ones.

The ones that I have known and worked with seemed shallow with no meaning to their life... (one went to San Quentin for molesting some boys he was coaching). The lesbian was in the hospital because her “girlfriend” tried to run her over with a truck or some vehicle. Then I knew others that were not breaking the law but the males were extremely narcissistic, into how they looked and clothes. A female I sat next to was one of these lesbians who adopted a boy.....She hated men so go figure—was she going to torture him or turn him into a girl——the hatred dripped whenever she mentioned men... so I always felt extremely sad for her “son”.

It is the children who suffer and they were designed to have a nursing mother and a father who allowed her the time to nurture them and make them feel secure in a very frightening world.... and give them the nurture and ability that they need to overcome the struggles of life.


90 posted on 02/10/2011 11:55:31 PM PST by savagesusie
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