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To: Thunder90; Jack Black
there are many who said that the soviet collapse was planned by the Politboro as early as Stalin’s death, and the fact that Putin and other thugs run the ex soviet states are evidence of this. By collapsing, the Russians were able to cause their greatest enemy to weaken.

The Russian bear isn't dead. It's just been in hibernation.

Did Communism Fake Its Own Death in 1991?
American Thinker ^ | January 16, 2010 | Jason McNew

In a bizarre 1984 book [New Lies for Old], ex-KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn predicted the liberalization of the Soviet Bloc and claimed that it would be a strategic deception. ..."

"Golitsyn's argument was that beginning in about 1960, the Soviet Union embarked on a strategy of massive long-range strategic deception which would span several decades and result in the destruction of Western capitalism and the erection of a communist world government."

"Golitsyn published his second book, The Perestroika Deception, after the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991. This book contained further analysis of the liberalization, in addition to previously classified memoranda submitted by Golitsyn to the CIA. The two books must be read together to get a complete picture of Golitsyn's thesis."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/did_communism_fake_its_own_dea.html

55 posted on 02/10/2011 8:49:52 AM PST by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: ETL
Fascinating stuff. Are you familiar with the Golitsyn controversy? It split the US Counter-intelligence community into waring factions in the 1960s.

Here is the Wikipedia summary of it, from the Golitsyn bio:

Golitsyn and NosenkoIn

1964, Yuri Nosenko, a KGB officer working out of Geneva, Switzerland, insisted that he needed to defect to the USA, as his role as a double-agent had been discovered, prompting his recall to Moscow.[10] Nosenko was allowed to defect, although his credibility was immediately in question because the CIA was unable to verify a KGB recall order. Nosenko made two extremely controversial claims: that Golitsyn was not a double-agent but a KGB plant; and that he had information on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy by way of the KGB's history with Lee Harvey Oswald in the time Oswald lived in the Soviet Union.

Regarding the first claim, Golitsyn had said from the beginning that the KGB would try to plant defectors in an effort to discredit him. Regarding the second claim, Nosenko told his debriefers that he had been personally responsible for handling Oswald's case and that the KGB had judged Oswald unfit for their services due to mental instability and had not even attempted to debrief Oswald about his work on the U-2 spy planes during his service in the United States Marine Corps. Under great duress, Nosenko failed two highly questionable lie detector tests but passed a third test monitored by several Agency departments.[11]

Judging the claim of not interrogating Oswald about the U-2 improbable given Oswald's familiarity with the U-2 program and faced with further challenges to Nosenko's credibility (he was thought to have falsely claimed to be a lieutenant colonel, a higher rank than it was thought he held), Angleton did not object when David Murphy, then head of the Soviet Russia Division, ordered him held in solitary confinement for approximately three-and-a-half years. This solitary confinement included 16 months in a tiny attic with no windows or furniture, heat or air conditioning. Human contact was completely banned. He was given a shower once a week and had no television, reading material, radio, exercise, or toothbrush. Interrogations were frequent and intensive. He spent an additional brutal four months in a ten-foot-by-ten-foot concrete bunker in Camp Perry. He was told that this condition would continue for 25 years unless he confessed to being a Soviet spy.[12]

James Angleton came to public attention in the United States when the Church Commission (formally known as the Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities), following up on the Warren Commission, probed the CIA for information about the Kennedy assassination. The Nosenko episode does not appear to have shaken Angleton's faith in Golitsyn, although Helms and J. Edgar Hoover took the contrary position. Hoover's objections are said to have been so vehement as to curtail severely counterintelligence cooperation between the FBI and CIA for the remainder of Hoover's service as the FBI's director. Nosenko was found to be a legitimate defector, a lieutenant colonel and became a consultant to the CIA.[3]

Golitsyn told Angleton that there was still a high ranking mole in the CIA. Angleton believed him and went on a vicious mole hunt, the ended the careers of most of the Soviet section, but he never found the mole.

Those who believe that Golitsyn was a fake think that the mole hunt was one of the principle objects of the defection: to cause the CIA to destroy itself hunting for a "notional mole" that could never be found.

Others accept Golitsyn at face value, and feel that Angleton failed to find the mole, but he was there non the less.

Some say Angleton felt that he'd found the mole when DCI Richard Colby fired him. (IE: it was Colby).

That seems paranoid. Until you recall the strange manner of his death. He drowned while canoeing on the river in front of his house. Here's a good article about his death: "Who murdered the CIA chief"

It does tend to indicate that there was a bit more to Colby than just a career political middle-manager who made it to the DCI position.

56 posted on 02/10/2011 12:30:27 PM PST by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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