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No answers yet about guns found at Border Patrol agent death scene
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 6 February, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 02/07/2011 3:51:56 AM PST by marktwain

“[F]ederal law enforcement sources have confirmed that two guns, part of a series of purchases that were being monitored by authorities, were found at the scene of the firefight that killed a U.S. Border Patrol agent in southern Arizona,” The Los Angeles Times reported on February 2, corroborating allegations raised on the CleanUpATF website last December.

Since those early discussion, and following allegations and reports made at the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog and in this column, the number of estimated guns involved has risen dramatically, from “500” in the December entry, to a new estimate, posted early this morning:

As “gunwalker” continues to gain attention, the guys in the Phoenix Division rumored that the number of “walked” guns could be as high as 3,000.

It’s not a stretch to assume this many guns allowed into the hands of DTOs (Drug Trafficking Organizations) have been and continue to be criminally used.

I speculated as much in an earlier column:

If two “monitored” guns were found at a crime scene, how many more might be out there, used in operations that still threaten U.S. and Mexican citizens as well as law enforcement on both sides of the border?

As did Mike Vanderboegh, in a letter you’ll be hearing more about soon:

Statistical probability and plain logic indicates that far more than one of your own citizens have already been killed by them since this operation began.

Yet in spite of this clear and present danger, we know virtually nothing about the two guns seized at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. A full month ago, I asked:

* What does ATF trace data show? * Were any prior traces ever run on this particular firearm, and what did they show?

And again in spite of the revelations and disclosures raised here and on Sipsey Street Irregulars—disclosures that continue to be consistently corroborated when examined by independent investigators—no one has been able to verify the most basic facts about these guns aside from their characterization as “AK-47s.” We don’t know their make or their origin—and by “we,” I mean anyone outside of those who apparently have strong personal interests in keeping that information to themselves.

The excuse that there is an ongoing criminal investigation doesn’t cut it. There’s an ongoing criminal investigation in the Gabrielle Giffords case, and that hasn’t stopped information about the gun used from being revealed, including its manufacturer and where it was purchased from.

Perhaps if our government will still not disclose basic information about the guns themselves, and it's unclear how hard the media is pressing them on this, they can instead be asked if the Mexican government has now been fully informed of the scope and nature of this “monitoring” operation gone awry. One would think they need every scrap of information our people can provide them, and, according to the highest authorities at the Department of Justice, that—as opposed to intentionally keeping them in the dark—is supposed to be official policy in the first place:

“The Criminal Division is working hard with its partners in the U.S. Attorneys' Offices and colleagues in Mexico to find and prosecute those who seek to transport weapons illegally across our borders.”

You know who said that, don’t you?

Also see:

* A journalist's guide to 'Project Gunwalker' (Summary with links of everything written to date on Sipsey Street Irregulars and Gun Rights Examiner)

* Make Sipsey Street Irregulars a daily stop to check for updates.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; gunwalker; mexico; projectgunwalker
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I have dealt with the ATF regarding both alcohol and firearms. Some agents can be pricks, but others are not.”

If a situation comes up where the truth is required they may not be a prick but will lie for the prick.


21 posted on 02/07/2011 6:16:56 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: Hulka

When you get down to it it’s the same old gun-control question. Are the guns the problem? Would the cartel thugs be any different if they didn’t have guns? They aren’t chopping heads off with guns or blowing people up with guns now.


22 posted on 02/07/2011 6:45:02 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: IMR 4350
I've got a feeling Zippo and Co. are doing in Mexico what they did in Egypt.

They aren't caching uniforms, grenades, rocket launchers and radio equipment just to run drugs.

Cache Of Military Weapons Confiscated South of Mexican Border (Where was the MSM's Report?) Video

Someone is planning a war and someone is helping them.

23 posted on 02/07/2011 6:51:04 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Because the dealers want to stay in business and not in jail.


24 posted on 02/07/2011 7:01:57 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: TigersEye
Agree.

And they are doing more inhumane things than simply chopping off heads. I have seen pictures and it is horrifying, absolutely horrifying what they do to the people and their bodies. There is a special place in h#ll for those murdering scum.

25 posted on 02/07/2011 7:05:43 AM PST by Hulka
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To: TigersEye
I lived in Corpus Christi in the 80”s.

A lot of the Mexicans hated Reagan because the revolution in Mexico had been planned for Carter's second term.

The idea was to start a revolution in Mexico then Carter would allow the refugees to pour across the border, the border would effectively be moved north 250 miles.

According to who you talked to, after the revolution was over Carter would give the area back to Mexico or create an open border in that area.

The first person that told me this I thought was nuts, then I heard the same thing from a number of people, they weren't nuts.

26 posted on 02/07/2011 8:15:12 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

Interesting. I have never heard that before but it’s believable. Carter’s history makes it so.


27 posted on 02/07/2011 8:32:11 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
I don't have a doubt that Zippo would do the same thing.
28 posted on 02/07/2011 9:00:36 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Some agents can be pricks, but others are not.

I'm sure there were guys in the Waffen SS that would have been a hoot to going fishing with. Still....

29 posted on 02/07/2011 1:31:14 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: gundog

“I’m sure there were guys in the Waffen SS that would have been a hoot to going fishing with. Still....”

ROTFLMAO,sadly.


30 posted on 02/07/2011 2:54:58 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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