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To: Windflier

>My entire point is that the fundamental American principles of freedom and liberty are senior to even our Founding Documents. These basic concepts and ideas came before the construct of an agreement hammered out between men.

My point, which you are missing, is that the Nation NEVER conformed to that degree of these founding principles that you are citing/claiming; this indicates several generally non-exclusive possibilities:
1 — Mankind’s inherient imperfection prevents it;
2 — The founding principals as stated were not used {i.e. hypocrisy and/or fraud}
3 — A misunderstanding, or a vastly different conceptual-framework, on your part as to what the founding principals were.


97 posted on 02/02/2011 10:26:30 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
the Nation NEVER conformed to that degree of these founding principles that you are citing/claiming

Says you. You're obviously in favor of the supremacy of the state over the individual, and I am not.

I think my considerations regarding natural rights and freedom are in closer alignment with our nation's founding ideals than yours are. The documentary evidence of our country's history supports my view.

If you want to support giving government bureaucrats the power to force you to engage in behaviors that it deems proper and necessary, be my guest. I don't, and won't support that.

98 posted on 02/02/2011 10:42:35 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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