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Sen. McCain offers new pilots some fatherly advice (RINO says crashing plane was "fun")
The Santa Rosa Press Gazette, Milton, Fla. ^ | 2011-01-28 | Bill Gamblin

Posted on 01/30/2011 9:02:12 PM PST by rabscuttle385

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“I wasn’t even very distressed when I found myself in my airplane sitting on the bottom of Corpus Christi Bay one fine day,” McCain confessed in front of his son and other young aviators. “I swam to the surface, went to my quarters, changed my clothes, took a couple aspirin and headed out for another night’s entertainment with my fellow bachelor officers.

McCain had a number of questionable flight experiencs, any of which would have gotten anyone else a ticket out of the service, except for the facts that his father and grandfather were high ranking officers in the Navy.

McCain is basically unfit for public office, IMO.

41 posted on 01/31/2011 6:05:15 AM PST by olezip
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To: cpdiii
Captain McCain was an honorable patriot of our great nation who demonstrated his duty, loyalty and patriotism time and time again during captivity.

Did you know him at the time? Or, are you just repeating what his publist said?

As my pappy used to say, don't believe anything you read and only half of what you see.

42 posted on 01/31/2011 7:29:56 AM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: cpdiii

“Captain McCain was an honorable patriot of our great nation who demonstrated his duty, loyalty and patriotism time and time again during captivity.”

Agreed. A long time ago I said that I gave McCain a lifelong pass to be an azzhole due to Vietnam. But when he basically threw the 2008 election I backtracked a little.

Upon further reflection the guy is just a lousy politician and does not use good judgment in many cases such as the Keating scandal and McCain Feingold legislation. It doesn’t mean he wouldn’t fight for his country.


43 posted on 01/31/2011 7:38:56 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BlueDragon
You give us a link from "truthdig"??? Do you have any idea who those people are? The article was clearly written as an attack piece against a Republican candidate.

That may very well be. I haven't read McCain's book but if those excerpts are legit, then they lend credence to the suggestion that McCain was a loose cannon and may have caused or contributed to the disaster on The Forrestal.

45 posted on 01/31/2011 8:36:21 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle
Screw you.

Looking at your profile....those are pretty harsh words for a bible thumper such as you portray yourself.....my aren't we brave to use big boy words....

46 posted on 01/31/2011 9:46:46 AM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
As a Military pilot we can “rag” our own. If you ain’t one of us..STFU, because you have no idea. Case closed!!

STFU yourself. That kind of garbage is what was used to cover up things like Tail Hook. As a citizen and tax payer I can question anyone that wastes my money for any reason. I don't care who is 'one of you' and who isn't that was tax payer money he dropped in the bay an we can ask any questions we darn well please. You can take your elitist attitude and stick it where the sun don't shine. That 'shut up and leave it to your betters' attitude demonstrates everything that is wrong with politics today. Just because OUR tax dollar went to train you to do a job that some people claim is tough does not mean we, those same tax payers, that put your butt in that pilot seat can't question what you do when sitting there.
47 posted on 01/31/2011 10:41:55 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Texas Eagle

Very well? How about is.

Oh, but it took truthdig to dig out the truth huh?

No? Oh, I see, as you admitted, they only "suggested" McCain at fault. Which is their way of smearing him, (mainly because he's a Republican). They lead the reader to the "suggestion", which doesn't stick---but it doesn't matter---the lead-up and development of the "reckless" theory is what their aiming at.

Don't you see what's going on here.? But let's get back to basics. You tell me, exactly how he could have "contributed" to having ANOTHER aircraft accidentally firing off a weapon striking the one he was in?

What's that you say? His "recklessness caused or contributed" specifically to the Forrestal incident?

You can stuff that slanderous "theory" right back into the same dark hole it came out of!

The Navy knows exactly how and why it happened. It was thoroughly investigated. They sure as shooting DID NOT blame McCain.

48 posted on 01/31/2011 11:23:10 AM PST by BlueDragon
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bump


50 posted on 01/31/2011 11:52:25 AM PST by E38
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Hey windbag....you’re starting to agitate me....go away with your mindless bullshit.... This submitted by an elitist pilot who did a job that pukes like you either couldn’t qualify for or chose not to do....and now behind a keyboard your are suddenly an expert. BTW...I paid a few taxes over the years as well...now be a good little boy and STFU...and let men do the heavy lifting.


51 posted on 01/31/2011 2:37:33 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: BlueDragon

At least anyone can edit Wikipedia pages, unlike some left-wing attack site.


52 posted on 01/31/2011 3:06:55 PM PST by Strk321
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To: Strk321
Wikipedia can be subject to some abuse, some twisting and slanting, but with an otherwise well documented thing such the Forrestal fire, any manipulations probably wouldn't stick very long.

I saw something on television about the fire, just a few days ago. The Wiki page referenced pretty much the same info.

I was wrong about one thing I posted here earlier --- McCain's aircraft wasn't hit with the missile, it was an aircraft next to his.

53 posted on 01/31/2011 5:59:29 PM PST by BlueDragon
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To: Jacquerie

If believing in unicorns and rainbows suits you then go for it.


54 posted on 01/31/2011 6:01:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Since spouting idiocy suits you, go for it.


55 posted on 01/31/2011 6:12:33 PM PST by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny. Mark Levin)
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To: Jacquerie
Here is some idiocy for you.

Vietnam Veterans Against McCain YouTube video

56 posted on 01/31/2011 6:15:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

No thanks. Enjoy your derangement.


57 posted on 02/01/2011 2:37:39 AM PST by Jacquerie (We live in a judicial tyranny. Mark Levin)
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To: Jacquerie
Just in case you change your mind and decide that being abjectly ignorant doesn't suit you as well as you think it does.

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The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files - Sydney Schanberg

Opposed by Pentagon

Bitterly opposed by the Pentagon, “The Truth Bill” got nowhere. It was reintroduced in the next Congress in 1991 — and again disappeared. Then, suddenly, out of the Senate, birthed by the Arizona senator, a new piece of legislation emerged. It was called “The McCain Bill.” This measure turned “The Truth Bill ” on its head. It created a bureaucratic maze from which only a fraction of the available documents could emerge. And it became law. So restrictive were its provisions that one clause actually said the Pentagon didn’t even have to inform the public when it received intelligence that Americans were alive in captivity.

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Another bill gutted in 1996

And then there is the Missing Service Personnel Act, which McCain succeeded in gutting in 1996. A year before, the act had been strengthened, with bipartisan support, to compel the Pentagon to deploy more resources with greater speed to locate and rescue missing men. The measure imposed strict reporting requirements.

McCain amended the heart out of the statute. For example, the 1995 version required a unit commander to report to his theater commander within two days that a person was missing and describe what rescue and recovery efforts were underway. The McCain amendments allowed 10 days to pass before a report had to be made.

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In response, the backers of the original statute cited the Pentagon’s stained record on MIA’s and argued that military history had shown that speed of action is critical to the chances of recovering a missing man. Moving “the bureaucracy ” to Washington, they said, was merely a way to sweep the issue under a rug.

Chilling effect cited

One final evisceration in the law was McCain’s removal of all its enforcement teeth. The original act provided for criminal penalties for anyone, such as military bureaucrats in Washington, who destroy or cover up or withhold from families any information about a missing man. McCain erased this part of the law. He said the penalties would have a chilling effect on the Pentagon’s ability to recruit personnel for its POW/MIA office.

(a small excerpt of the whole)

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Former P.O.W.: "Why I Cannot Support Senator John McCain for President" http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/04/21/former-pow-why-i-cannot-support-senator-john-mccain-for-president.aspx

U.S. POW/MIAs Who May Have Survived In Captivity

The Real McCain

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Is No Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL A Look At The Candidate's Mob Ties By Edward Zehr (includes POW info)

58 posted on 02/01/2011 2:41:20 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
The McCain Deranged go nuts over an old Naval Aviator giving words of advice and encouragement to the newest members of a proud tradition. Get a grip.

But by all means, enjoy your derangement.

59 posted on 02/01/2011 3:10:54 AM PST by Jacquerie (Honor the service of our Vietnam era veterans.)
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To: Jacquerie

You support a Soros bought and paid for butt boy who tried to arrange arms sales to Muslim terrorists. That’s deranged.


60 posted on 02/01/2011 3:13:46 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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