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To: decimon

How do US courts legally have jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad? This type of precedent will allow for terrorists at Club Gitmo to be tried here.


2 posted on 01/30/2011 5:01:33 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: pnh102
How do US courts legally have jurisdiction over crimes committed abroad? This type of precedent will allow for terrorists at Club Gitmo to be tried here.

I'm also concerned with how this might carry over to other matters. Unless it's an established practice with just some sort of crimes.

4 posted on 01/30/2011 5:06:29 PM PST by decimon
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To: pnh102

While I agree that sex with children is abominable, this is a minefield legally. It sets a pathway for the US government to prosecute other things you do in foreign countries. In some foreign countries, the drug laws are non-existent. So are federal agents in those countries going to return citizens to the US to stand trial even though under the laws of those countries no crime was committed? This is the opening of Pandora’s box?


7 posted on 01/30/2011 5:08:06 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - H. L Mencken)
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To: pnh102

Because as long as you are a citizen there are reciprocal rights and responsibilities. The sex tourism enforcement has been brought about by a complex series of treaties.

If pharmacy boy had emigrated and given up his US citizenship, then they would be taking care of him over there. Of course... He would also be going to die, but that’s not necessarily bad.


9 posted on 01/30/2011 5:10:19 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.8)
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To: pnh102

They actually do. IIRC, even two US teens having sex with each other in Europe, have technically committed a felony.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1499
Laws Concerning Sex Tourism Involving Children

Federal Laws

18 U.S.C. § 2423 (2008)

§ 2423. TRANSPORTATION OF MINORS

(a) Transportation with intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. A person who knowingly transports an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any commonwealth, territory or possession of the United States, with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.

(b) Travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct. A person who travels in interstate commerce or travels into the United States, or a United States citizen or an alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States who travels in foreign commerce, for the purpose of engaging in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(c) Engaging in illicit sexual conduct in foreign places. Any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence who travels in foreign commerce, and engages in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(d) Ancillary offenses. Whoever, for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, arranges, induces, procures, or facilitates the travel of a person knowing that such a person is traveling in interstate commerce or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in illicit sexual conduct shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

(e) Attempt and conspiracy. Whoever attempts or conspires to violate subsection (a), (b), (c), or (d) shall be punishable in the same manner as a completed violation of that subsection.

(f) Definition. As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means (1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246 [18 USCS § 2246]) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A [18 USCS §§ 2241 et seq.] if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States; or (2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591 [18 USCS § 1591]) with a person under 18 years of age.

(g) Defense. In a prosecution under this section based on illicit sexual conduct as defined in subsection (f)(2), it is a defense, which the defendant must establish by a preponderance of the evidence, that the defendant reasonably believed that the person with whom the defendant engaged in the commercial sex act had attained the age of 18 years.


10 posted on 01/30/2011 5:10:47 PM PST by mewykwistmas ("Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there is no river. ")
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To: pnh102

I think that both countries probably have some sort of relationship. Maybe a treaty that both countries entered into. It’s not one sided.


24 posted on 01/30/2011 5:37:52 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: pnh102

Oftentimes, US courts have jurisdiction over US Citizens. There’s president there with income tax cases.


37 posted on 01/30/2011 6:22:50 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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