State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records (Arizona's HB2544 & Burges takes 2nd try at birther bill)

SV Herald ^ | 1/29/11 | Howard Fischer

[Libloather]

State lawmakers want Obama’s birth records
By Howard Fischer
Capitol Media Services
Sat, 01/29/2011 - 00:34

PHOENIX — More than three dozen Republican legislators want a plan to require Barack Obama to produce an original birth certificate for Arizona officials if he intends to seek re-election.

HB 2544 would forbid the secretary of state from putting a presidential candidate’s name on the ballot unless certain documents are first provided. These include a sworn statements outlining where the candidate has lived for the last 14 years, that the candidate does not hold dual citizenship and that the person’s allegiance “is solely to the United States of America.”

But what worries Ken Bennett, the current secretary of state, is that he also would have to be furnished “an original long form birth certificate that includes the date and place of birth, the names of the hospital and the attending physician and signatures of the witnesses in attendance.” Without that, he said, the measure would bar him from including the candidate’s name on the ballot.

“I don’t know that’s on MY birth certificate, for goodness sakes” said Bennett, who was born in Tucson.

Potentially more problematic, he said, is that each state has its own system of recording births. And Bennett, who is a Republican like all of the measure’s 41 sponsors, is not sure that its even possible to get an “original” birth certificate.

For example, he said, people seeking birth certificates from many states, often for passports or other documentation, are instead furnished with a “certificate of live birth.” That usually takes the form of a state official certifying, under oath, that there are documents on file proving a specific person was born on a specified date.

That’s not all, Bennett said, pointing to the requirement for the birth certificate to have the names of the attending physician and the signatures of witnesses.

“If you were delivered at home with a midwife, does that mean you are no longer qualified to be the president of the United States?” he asked. “If there aren’t any signatures of witnesses in attendance, you’re no longer qualified?”

And what, exactly, is a “long form birth certificate,” he asked.

“Is that a standard term of art that means the same thing in all 50 states?” Bennett continued. “And is it even available in all 50 states?”

Officially speaking, the legislation crafted by Rep. Judy Burges, R-Skull Valley, does not mention Obama. And Burges, who first sponsored a slightly different version of the measure last year, said it’s not necessarily about Obama, though she admitted she doubts he was born in Hawaii as he claims, or that he can show he is a U.S. citizen.

“With what’s happening throughout the world, we need to make sure that our candidates are certifiable,” she told Capitol Media Services when she introduced the first measure.

Burges managed to get the measure through the House last year. The bill died in the Senate. That requirement for the “long form original,” appears designed with Obama in mind.

Officials in Hawaii released a short-form version of the birth certificate when the issue first arose before the 2008 election. When that failed to satisfy critics, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the state’s health director, issued a statement saying he has “seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen.”

Bennett seems satisfied. “I think he was born in Hawaii,” he said. “I personally believe he is a U.S. citizen.”

Others sponsors of the legislation, though, apparently have their doubts.

Rep. Carl Seel, R-Phoenix, told KPNX this week he believes Obama — and all presidential candidates — should provide proof of their citizenship. Asked specifically if he believes Obama is a citizen, Seel responded, “I have questions about that.”

Bennett, acknowledging all the controversy, said he is sympathetic to the goal. “I think we need a legitimate and verifiable process for candidates to demonstrate that they meet the qualifications,” he said.

“In the case of the president’s office … the best place is at the federal level so that each state is not doing its own, different thing,” Bennett continued. “But it seems unfortunately obvious that they’ve not sufficiently implemented such a process at the federal level or we wouldn’t be having these questions.”

He added, though, that no process might be enough “in the minds of some people.”

[Red Steel]

Gee, isn’t it interesting then that with FIVE, count ‘em FIVE conservatives on the current US Supreme Court that they aren’t even interested in hearing oral arguments in ANY Obama eligibility appeal? Not ONE single US Supreme Court Justice has asked Obama to submit a brief defending his eligibility to be President of the United States.

I think I've explained it to you a number of times to why these guys are afraid to take the case. However, the scuttlebutt is that 3 of the 4 conservatives on the court have voted in favor of taking the case on the father jus sanguinis passing citizenship to their children that causes duel allegiances, but Obama has not really proven that he is even a US citizen. Kennedy is not really a conservative and so that only makes 4 of them - not 5 conservatives. Obama is on very thin ice by only one vote if the grapevine is correct. Only one vote could separate Obama from getting kicked out of the White House. It is pretty stupid on your part to crow about that Obama is getting all the votes not to remove him.

Not fret OBot, Obama may just be stupid enough to challenge the ballot laws that would keep his lying rear-end off the state ballots. You would likely get your wish and the Supreme Court would then take up the case they have been avoiding and rule on his usurpation.

So which are you Red Steal, a “crank” or a “conspiracy nut?”

I'm not a nut for Obama like you. I can actually logically articulate why Obama is not legally pResident while you cut and paste nonsense that I easily slam.

[Red Steel]

LoL. :-)

[jamese777]

This is another reason why you have no credibility Obot.

Title: “As Obama stonewalls on uncertified birth certificate, official doubts mount Israel Insider ^ | June 28, 2008 | June 28, 2008

Posted on Saturday, June 28, 2008 4:19:52 PM by Red Steel”

“A senior official in the State of Hawaii’s Department of Health, Director of Communications Janice Okubo, confirms that the image published and circulated by the Obama campaign as his “birth certificate” lacks the necessary embossed seal and signature. Backing away from a quote attributed to her that the image on the campaign site was “valid,” she told the St. Petersburg (Florida) Times in an article published yesterday: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.” “

You future Zot, mislead, quibble, BS, and flat out lie. Tsk tsk again OBot.

You should know by now not to mess with me as I know just everything on this subject.

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There is a difference between Janice Okubo discussing the hard copy of a COLB for Barack Obama emailed to her from the St. Petersburg Times for verification and then later in the article discussing the scanned IMAGE of the COLB on the fightthesmears website.

RedSteel conveniently omits Janice Okubo’s response to the emailed COLB: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”

Anybody wanting to check the facts can click on this link and read the entire article for themself:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

One more time: Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii state Department of Health: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”

[Munz]

ROFLMAO

YES they are!

[Munz]

You said it!

They all gave him a pass from McCain to the MSM and even fox news.

It is high time we put an end to this.

release all the records now .. everything. From birth to college and work records (did he ever really work?)

I want it all now!

[Munz]

Your right. But why even talk about the midwife thing?
he claims to be born in a hospital in hawaii right?

The funny thing is that it is staring so many people right in the face and they don’t get it. :-(

[Munz]

seems to be the sop in answers now doesn’t it?

Puts it all back on the democrats when / if the truth comes out.
This way they can say “we trusted them to tell the truth”

It is called Plausible deniability so when the people of America say WTF! They have one party to believe in yet ..

Or so they think

[Munz]

>Based on what document did you make that statement? Nothing I have seen indicates there is any evidence of this. And “native” to what country?<

Not sticking up for Obama but ion his fight the smears web site, he says he is a “native born citizen” of the United States.

I’ll take him at his word ... but of course that does not qualify him to be POTUS. A native born is not the same as a “Natural Born citizen”

So if he wants to stick to being native born as is on his web site, then get the hell out of the people’s house!
If he wants to remain there .. then it is time to release the records from birth to college.

[Munz]

>Nowhere did she say that she had seen the original “birth certificate”<

Correct.
lets take it one step further.

The department of records sent out the birth announcement along with all the others that showed Obama being born and residing in Hawaii ...

AT HIS GRANDMOTHERS HOUSE.

Not with his parents?

What is wrong with this picture?

[rolling_stone]

hey liar read to the end of your article and how do you email a hard copy? She corrected herself after being challenged. YOU LIE

[Munz]

funny how I recall McCain had to go through a senate hearing and the only requirement that anyone knew of including a supreme court judge was that

he was born of “american citizens” plural.

Not a kenyan ... AMERICAN.

[Munz]

>“The President was, in fact born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, and that’s just a fact.”
“It’s been established. He was born here.” [Former]Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI) <

Yet the hospital says that they have no birth on record for him under that name. So strange isn’t it?

[Red Steel]

RedSteel conveniently omits Janice Okubo’s response to the emailed COLB: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”

Anybody wanting to check the facts can click on this link and read the entire article for themself:

You've got to be one of the dumbest trolls and that's saying something. LoL. Even Obot Politi"fact" Amy Hollyfield has this in her propaganda piece where Janice Okubo concluded this:

One more time: Janice Okubo, Director of Communications for the Hawaii state Department of Health: “It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”

One more time, when Okubo was challenged by the "Birthers" she changed her tune as seen above in the graphic.

And the image was emailed for their verification? LoL. Did Okubo, Fukino and the DoH registrar check their logs if Obama was issued a COLB? Why would Obama need one if he found his real birth certificate along with his inoculation records that he found when he was a kid? BTW future Zot, shot inoculation records are issued with Kenyan birth certificates. He could've shown that one LoL.

And when the other Obama COLB forgery came out on August 2nd, 2008, how come Hawaii didn't say, yeah that's real, that's a genuine COLB from Hawaii. We checked the log book and Obama was issued a COLB on June 6, 2007 from Hawaii.

Oh nooooo not peep out of them. As a matter fact, those clowns in Hawaii refused to comment on that image purported to be Obama's COLB.

[jamese777]

hey liar read to the end of your article and how do you email a hard copy? She corrected herself after being challenged. YOU LIE

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“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”—Janice Okubo, Director of Communications, Hawaii state Department of Health

“Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

[rolling_stone]

arrivaderchi troll

IBTZ
http://users.wolfcrews.com/toys/vikings/

[Red Steel]

“Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.”

Looked identical? Sure thing Obot. /sarc But Okubo finally admitted...

[Munz]

Just explain one thing to me.

Why did the DNC and the HDP (Hawaiian democratic party) differ on their view on Obama’s eligibility?

Did you know that the HDP refused to certify Obama and there were several registrations made?

It is beyond shady ..

http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/09/09/certificate-of-nomination-summary/

http://people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawaii-ground-report-could-hawaiian-governor-neil-abercrombie-not-be-as-incompetent-and-foolish-as-he-appears-but-orchestrating-a-deliberate-birth-certificate-recovery-dead-end-to-cover-his-own-pap/

Say what you will .. but ANYONE who spends 2 million dollars to hide what they say that they have in a book that they allegedly wrote ain’t telling the truth. If you think for a minute that Obama is as he appears your the biggest sap on the planet earth. Don’t bother to reply to me, I wont waste my time with you. The amount of kool-aid you drank is terminal

[Munz]

You may be interested in reading this.

It is long, but the facts are there and it seems pretty well documented to me.

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/01/new-report-on-obamas-democratic-party.html

let me know what you think.

(grab a cup of coffee .. it is long)

[Texas Fossil]

You can try to parse Dr. Fukino’s words till the cows come home but judges and justices all across America, and at the Supreme Court of the United States have understood Dr. Fukino’s words much better than you.

That’s why the scorecard in Obama eligibility lawsuits is Obama: 89/Birthers: 0.

Nope. You are wrong. That is not why the courts have done what they have. Troll.

[Texas Fossil]

the hard copy of a COLB for Barack Obama emailed to her from the St. Petersburg Times

e-mails do not handle "hard copy" attachments (hee hee hee, simply Duuuhhh!)