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The Arab world on the brink...but of what?
Spectator (U.K.) ^ | Jan.30, 2011 | Melanie Philips

Posted on 01/30/2011 3:55:56 PM PST by fightinJAG

Well, what a turn-up for the books. Those same liberal circles which flayed the neo-cons alive for pursuing the apparently ludicrous idea that democracy could ever come to the Arab world are now hailing the current upheavals in that same Arab world as .. a democratic awakening.

Maybe it will be so. For sure some at least of the elements involved want true freedom and human rights. But that particular argument against the neo-cons was not wrong (and before anyone flies to their keyboard, let me clarify that what I support, and have always supported, is the principal belief that drove neo-con thinking -- not that democracy in such countries was necessarily achievable, and certainly not overnight, but that there is a moral duty to defeat the jihad in order to defend the west. And that was always a very different matter).

Anyway, back to the crisis at hand. There is no doubt that, in large measure because of the mainly subterranean debate that has been taking place within the Arab and Muslim world as a result of events on and since 9/11, there are powerful yearnings there for democracy and human rights and for an end to the tyranny and oppression under which the inhabitants of such places generally live.

The unhappy fact is, however, that in Egypt and Tunisia and elsewhere in the Arab world where ferment is growing against the tyranny of their regimes, the crucial infrastructure of the rule of law, independent judges and police, free press and so on that are the necessary precondition of democracy just don’t exist.

As a result, when tyrants there fall the outcome is generally not the emergence of a free society but a tyranny far worse even than the one that has fallen – an Islamic theocracy.

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1 posted on 01/30/2011 3:56:00 PM PST by fightinJAG
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To: fightinJAG

What we’re on the brink of is World War III. And Obama is at the helm. God help us. God help us all.


2 posted on 01/30/2011 3:57:46 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: fightinJAG

A Caliphate .

Egypt will be “democratic” after the first vote. The Muslim Brotherhood and Islam will quickly take over.


3 posted on 01/30/2011 4:00:37 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: fightinJAG

If they truly become democratic, then I think ultimately the Islamicists are doomed. Even muslim voters won’t vote for that crap.


4 posted on 01/30/2011 4:01:00 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Like Iran and Lebanon?......


5 posted on 01/30/2011 4:02:54 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: fightinJAG
Iran II

Barack Hussein Carter will guarantee as much.

6 posted on 01/30/2011 4:03:19 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: Lurker
What we’re on the brink of is World War III. And Obama is at the helm. God help us. God help us all.

Captain Hussein is at the helm...
...leading us right into the Perfect Storm.


7 posted on 01/30/2011 4:05:07 PM PST by Bon mots ("Anything you say, can and will be construed as racist...")
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To: fightinJAG

Possibly the unification of the Arab world into one Muslim Nation. Similar to what Saud did in Arabia.


8 posted on 01/30/2011 4:06:11 PM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: Red Badger

Iran is democratic? Who knew?

Lebanon was democratic, until Syria took control. I don’t think that I would describe Lebanon as Islamicist, though.


9 posted on 01/30/2011 4:06:57 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Lurker
What we’re on the brink of is World War III.

Yeah, that was said when the Iranian students were hopping up and down in the street.

It didn't happen then either.

10 posted on 01/30/2011 4:07:00 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: fightinJAG
The end result of "successful" uprisings can be seen in the recent history of Iran. Women will be slightly below sheep in value and with no rights whatsoever. Anything other than mindless obedience to the mullahs will result in beheading.

Yeah, I can see why the liberals are so ecstatic!

11 posted on 01/30/2011 4:07:18 PM PST by Redleg Duke (We didn't limit out, but we nailed a bunch of RATS!)
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To: Brilliant; Red Badger
Like Iran and Lebanon?......

and the West Bank? It went Hamas.

12 posted on 01/30/2011 4:08:10 PM PST by Last Dakotan (Hunting - the ultimate in organic grocery shopping.)
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To: fightinJAG

In a Muslim country any election will bring about a totalitarian Muslim Theocratic state. Freedom and Islam can not co-exist.


13 posted on 01/30/2011 4:11:21 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: screaminsunshine
In a Muslim country any election will bring about a totalitarian Muslim Theocratic state. Freedom and Islam can not co-exist.

Yep, nailed it.

Muslim Democracy= One man, one vote, ONCE.

14 posted on 01/30/2011 4:16:27 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: fightinJAG

William Butler Yeats (1865-1939)
THE SECOND COMING

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: a waste of desert sand;
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Wind shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?


15 posted on 01/30/2011 4:17:05 PM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: humblegunner
It didn't happen then either.

Really? Is that what you think? The pot's at a slow simmer right now. Pretty soon it's going to boil over.

16 posted on 01/30/2011 4:22:24 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker

It has already started, just not reported.


17 posted on 01/30/2011 4:23:12 PM PST by richardtavor (One of the rare establishmt Republicans backed by the "Tea Party" movement that wants limited gove)
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To: Brilliant

“If they truly become democratic, then I think ultimately the Islamicists are doomed. Even muslim voters won’t vote for that crap.”

You have NO CLUE as to the power of HATE, when it is drilled in to the mind from the first days of childhood.

It will not even be close - the Brotherhood wins in a landslide. Mark my words.


18 posted on 01/30/2011 4:23:17 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Centurion2000

Islam=New Dark Ages


19 posted on 01/30/2011 4:25:17 PM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: BobL

Maybe so, but in the end, they will either become dictators (ie. not a democracy), or they will be voted out by their own people.

Either way, my post is correct.


20 posted on 01/30/2011 4:27:01 PM PST by Brilliant
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