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To: butterdezillion
Abercrombie knows he did not see SAD and BHO Sr with the baby at social events. So he lied on that for sure. But he could have thought either that Obama really was born in Hawaii or that Grandma Dunham had been able to get a BC that claimed a HI birth. Fukino’s statements probably led him to believe that the bases were covered.

Sure, but politicians lie all the time, it is part of the job description. I don't see any legal traction in Abercrombie's public personal recollections. Also he can always weasel out if he is ever cornered by claiming his recollection was faulty.

In Dec when he came out swinging at “birthers” the article said he was mad about potential state eligibility bills and said that Bill Posey et al should have just asked HIM where Obama was born, rather than requiring official documentation.

That is just more idle political dissembling. Again there is no legal traction that I can see (IANAL).

Obama’s alleged letter to Kapiolani was “read” by Abercrombie on video and was not what actually ended up on the letter. Either he was ad-libbing from the get-go, can’t read, or the letter was his brainstorm and Obama signed the paper for him or else he forged Obama’s signature.

I doubt he made it up himself since WND published photos of the hardcopy that Kapiolani Hospital received from Abercrombie. Abercrombie's contemporaneous, prior, and subsequent actions together indicate that he believes he was telling the truth about Soetero aka Obama's birth and the validity of his birth certificate records, up until a few days ago when he suddenly clammed up.

(Aside) Do hospitals keep copies of actual birth certificates? If so, do they keep them longer than they keep medical records?

My understanding is yes, for legal reasons, in case of a lawsuit by parents for (for example) cases involving mistaken baby identities. (Again, however, IANAL.)

In any event, Abercrombie’s discrepancies and missteps are highly suspicious - including lying about seeing BHO and SAD with the baby at social events, his office lying about Palafox not being asked to resign, and his friend suddenly lying to change the story that Abercrombie told him he had gone into the hospitals with a search warrant and hadn’t found a BC. Those discrepancies and lies should land an investigation.

Again, politicians can make any kind of statements they want to the press or public. It is sworn affidavits filed in a court that are actionable in the face of evidence of perjury. I am not aware of Abercrombie making any such sworn statements. He did make a speech to Kapiolani Hospital in January 2009, and Kapiolani Hospital chose to include the statement in their non-profit fundraising, but the two events seem legally independent and not overt evidence of fraudulent fundraising to me or conspiracy to defraud Hospital non-profit fund contributors (IANAL).

One thing to watch is the Honolulu Star Advertiser. The fact that they did not publish the AP story indicates to me that the Honolulu Star Advertiser management may be a major complicit player in a manner favorable to the Soetero aka Obama camp and to the HDP. Honolulu is a relatively small city, and most of those who work there presumably have to go along to get along. Major screw-ups may happen in the HDOH, and we might never hear about it even though it might be reported to the local news media. With the local news media complicity to help enforce selective political news blackouts, and a corrupt AG and governor, Honolulu is ripe for invasion by Chicago style politics and Chicago style thuggery IMO. This guy Palafox seems to me fortunate to have kept his kneecaps throughout this entire most excellent adventure.

48 posted on 01/29/2011 1:17:22 PM PST by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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To: SteveH

The Honolulu Advertiser has DEFINITELY been complicit in covering for Obama. There’s good evidence that somebody at the Advertiser office actually created the paper forgeries of the birth announcements (both Advertiser and Star-Bulletin images) and gave a paper photocopy of the Advertiser forgery to the Hawaii State Library with instructions for the librarian to send it out if anybody asked for a copy from the HSL’s microfilm.

And evidence that they then posed as “Koa” at Texas DArlin’ Blog and a poster at the Prius Chat Forum - both of which claimed to independently get from the library microfilm directly the image that made it online, but all of which are identical to the copy that Will Hoover at the Advertiser gave to Mike Rivero at whatreallyhappened.com. (All 3 of those images have a large “scratch” that isn’t on the microfilm at the Hawaii State Library now.)

When I get a chance I intend to post the evidence that supports this claim.

But yeah, the media is definitely complicit in this whole thing. The Honolulu Advertiser office had the microfilms and microfiche for both the Advertiser and Star-Bulletin so they had all they needed to make both pristine and well-worn forgeries. There is no way that the Advertiser microfilm at the Hawaii State Library was pristine like the images brought forward by Infidel Granny and Lori Starfelt. If they got those images from the HSL librarian it could only have been because somebody at the Advertiser gave the librarian a paper copy that she was supposed to tell everybody was from their microfilm.


57 posted on 01/29/2011 2:28:47 PM PST by butterdezillion
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