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To: chatter4
If, by now, anybody does not realize what is going on here, they are deliberately being numb to the facts.

Obama has no birth certificate from Hawaii to produce or he would have done so a long time ago. His step-grandmother in Kenya has said she was there and witnessed his birth. Nobody in Hawaii, or any relatives or family friends has stepped forward with proof such as pictures, papers, etc., that shows he was born there. The Democrats keep saying that anybody who questions his American birth are tin-foil hatters. Remember when you were in grade school? If somebody wanted to discredit something you were saying did the name-calling thing. Kind of infantile with regard to this issue, is it not? The man could cure the problem in a heartbeat if he so chose, so as to defuse this question. Problem is, he would have to give up the seat of power he obtained illegally. Plus, he would incriminate all the members of the Democratic party that hid him just to win. If the man was real, and if the party who championed him was real, they would accede to the well being of the people and let the obvious surface. This government we have was formed by a group of people who were tired of the kind of deceit we are experiencing here. The rules for government that they put forth were based on their resistance to this kind of deception and demagoguery. What we are experiencing these days is the kind of thing the men who sat in Independence Hall in Philadelphia, and tried to formulate a resistance to is evident. We have to make their efforts worthwhile.

27 posted on 01/21/2011 5:17:10 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Keep this little tidbit in mind.

There is a doctor who got involved with Lolo’s immigration snafu as Ann’s Doctor. Toru Nishigaya

He wasn’t just any Dr. He had been Assistant Chief of Staff at one of the Maternity Hospitals. Information is hard for me to find but I found the reference in the 50s. I don’t know how long he was there.

Fast forward to the 60’s. Now he is trying to keep Lolo in the US. Lolo got someone in Immigration to pull strings for him which greatly upset the East West Center.

East West wanted him back in Indonesia. So did Indonesia.

East West even made a notation about Lolo working an end run around them. they were not happy.

Now, let’s not forget the head of the East West center was a former spook who just happened to leave Indonesia as it was about to hit the fan.

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?Na=jones+howard

Here is what a former CIA bloke said about East West Center

Frank Scotton:
“It was a cover for a training program in which Southeast Asians were brought to Hawaii and trained to go back to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos to create agent nets.” After passing the Foreign Service exam, Scotton was persuaded to join the USIS, which “dealt with people,” unlike the State Department, which “observed from a distance.”

Keep this in mind and then read Lolo’s FOIA file.

He had a paid off car from a loan from his Uncle. But he was sending payments in a non traceable form via courier because any other way was not safe according to him.

When asked the name of Ann’s Dr. -he didn’t know it. When asked the date of his marriage - he didn’t know it.

In fact, Ann used different dates for the marriage in her passport applications.

these people were involved with the Spooks.

there is no telling where Obama was born or who is father is. There may be no birth certificate because the Spooks didn’t want there to be one -for whatever reason.

This whole Abercrombie story is weird. I think he just might be a loose cannon that has now been backed into a corner.


40 posted on 01/21/2011 7:08:11 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Your comment is right on with one important piece of information missing. Which though as difficult as it is for me to point out is very serious and demands attention.
Republicans were also part and parcel to this grand lie that we now suffer for as well. When John McCain was put before senate hearings to decide if he was or was not a NBC, they said he was by virtue that both his parents were American Citizens.

At what point did any republican demand to see Obama’s proof of citizenship during that time? Obama was one of the people who voted on behalf of McCain being a NBC. All he ever had to do was say, I went through the hearings, but Obama’s father .. according to his books was not an American citizen. Therefore by the same rule I was a NBC he is NOT.

Certainly McCain could still to this day be the only person who has standing in a case in the supremes. But any senator or congressman could have made that statement before the election. However, sadly, they all remained silent.

The rest of what you say is correct IMO. No one spends 2 million dollars of anyones money trying to keep his birth certificate hidden when he has one in his possession. He said he did in one of his books. Especially when his main cheerleader Chrissy Matthews makes the shocked statement “The president doesn’t care that 43 percent of the country doesn’t think he’s an American?”.

But the question is WHY now? WHY is the governor doing this NOW?

I say the hell with the birth certificate at this point. I want to see college records.
I bet that he applied as a student for foreign aid.
I want to see Mental health records .. I want it all

We the people are entitled to that.


43 posted on 01/21/2011 8:17:57 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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