Friends, teachers tell of Loughner's descent into world of fantasy

The Washington Post ^ | Thursday, January 13, 2011; 12:00 AM | Amy Gardner, David A. Fahrenthold and Marc Fisher

[Smogger]

He played late-night marathon games of Monopoly with his buddies. He went with friends on family vacations. He would hang with pals at IHOP on Fridays. He had a girlfriend. He laughed and he loved and he knew things - about jazz, cars, fantasy games.

And then Jared Loughner slipped into a world of fantasy that was no online game. Slowly but steadily, his intelligence warped into a distorted, disconnected series of obsessions. He developed an illogical fascination with logic. Math, grammar, logic - the systems civilization has developed to make sense of the world became the means through which he expressed the confusion and pain in his increasingly lost mind.

The first sketches of suspects in horrific killings are usually scattered images of hate - an almost superhuman anger trained at others. But as the portraits gain detail, they generally reveal some toxic combination of frustration, abuse, illness and loss. Loughner, those around him say, had the whole package.

[Smogger]

On one site, Above Top Secret, Loughner left dozens of posts with bizarre theories about U.S. currency, the Constitution and grammar. Finally, another regular on the site wrote back that "I think you're frankly schizophrenic, and no that's not an amateur opinion and not intended as an uninformed or insulting remark. I really do care. Seek help before you hurt yourself or others or start taking your medications again, please."

Loughner, known on the site as "erad3," responded, "Thank you for the concern."

[fifedom]

But as the portraits gain detail, they generally reveal some toxic combination of frustration, abuse, illness and loss. Loughner, those around him say, had the whole package.

Give me a break. This is a classic case of schizophrenia developing. Usually happens in late teens and early 20's in men, somewhat later in women. People seem normal and then develop psychotic symptoms.

It is a brain disease. It has nothing to do with abuse or all that Freudian cr*p.

[Smogger]

I agree. The author is being bombastic. There is nothing in the article to indicate anything other than the kid gradually became more and more delusional.

[OneWingedShark]

He developed an illogical fascination with logic. Math, grammar, logic - the systems civilization has developed to make sense of the world became the means through which he expressed the confusion and pain in his increasingly lost mind.

I object!
The above puts engineering- and programmer-types into a bad light. [Lawyers are already in a bad light, but they need to be "obsessed" as well.]
Furthermore, such professions require an "obsession" with both logic and grammar.
I mean, what happens if someone takes a specification and either inserts or deletes a 'not'?
What if, say, a secretary were to edit the specification by replacing a terminal 'and' with an 'or' so that the list would fit on one line?

[digger48]

I wondered days ago why no one was even mentioning that he was a gamer and how that could have influenced him.

Not that I know anything much at all about the topic, it just seemed like the “Violent Video” Brigade was mighty quiet.

I hadn’t thought about the fantasy roles taking over.

[nmh]

Of course while ALL this was going on, you were supposed to RESPECT him and be RELATIVE in your values. After all, what’s “normal” for you may NOT be NORMAL for him, RIGHT?
This is what happens when you live in a politically correct relative world.

[funfan]

Honestly I could care less if this creep lives or not
and if I never see another article about this less than human peice of gagrbage it will be too soon.

[Repeal The 17th]

A person can spend an awful lot of time; ultimately to no benefit
...trying to explain the unexplainable;
...trying to rationalize the irrational;
...trying to understand why a crazy person does the things that a crazy person does.

[ETL]

Tucson Assassin Was A Zeitgeistist, A What?
ChicoER Gate ^ | 1/13/10 | Chuck Wolk

Posted on Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:45:31 PM by OneVike

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2656282/posts

[ETL]

Ping

[Smogger]

Not true apparently. The website I mentioned in my post AboveTopSecret.com is a website that describes itself as: "The Internet's largest and most popular discussion board community dedicated to the intelligent exchange of ideas and debate on a wide range of "alternative topics" such as conspiracies, UFO's, paranormal, secret societies, political scandals, new world order, terrorism, and dozens of related topics with a diverse mix of users from all over the world."

Even folks on there identified him as being schizophrenic and urged him to seek help or take his medication before he hurt himself or someone else. Prescient.

[Ramius]

It’s definitely a strange regression into madness.

I wonder about a brain tumor, or some such progressive disease. It would certainly explain a lot.

[Ramius]

Yah know... when a forum full of conspiracy lunatics thinks you’re crazy... you’re really crazy.

[madprof98]

McGahee said he asked the counselor to "do something, but they kept telling me, 'He hasn't brought a weapon to class. He promised he'd be quiet. It doesn't look like he's hurting anybody.' "

I've gotten similar responses to students like this. Before VA Tech, you'd have to keep them in class no matter what. After all, "Who's to say who's mentally ill and who's normal?"

[Smogger]

He has all of the symptoms of a schizophrenic, which has an onset about this age and can be triggered by drug or alcohol use:

Delusional thoughts and paranoia: Delusional thoughts are personal beliefs that cannot be changed by reasoning or evidence to the contrary. Delusional thoughts often cause paranoia: schizophrenics may believe people are plotting against them, trying to poison them, or stalking them. Sometimes the delusional thoughts that trigger paranoia can be extremely bizarre, such as believing that the television is sending controlling signals directly to their brain.

Approximately one-third of delusional thoughts in schizophrenia sufferers cause paranoid symptoms. In addition to paranoia, schizophrenia may cause delusions of grandeur: the schizophrenic may believe he or she is a famous person or is extremely important.

Auditory and visual hallucinations: Hallucinations are sensory perceptions that have no basis in reality, and are common symptoms of schizophrenia. Hallucinations can affect any of the senses: schizophrenia sufferers experience auditory, visual, tactile, olfactory, and taste hallucinations.

Auditory hallucinations are the most common hallucinatory symptoms experienced by schizophrenics. Hearing voices is the most common of auditory hallucinations produced by schizophrenia. Voices may give schizophrenia sufferers instructions, carry on conversations, or plague schizophrenics with criticism.

Bizarre Behavior: Symptoms of schizophrenia may produce exceedingly bizarre behavior. Schizophrenics are often extremely agitated. Auditory hallucinations or paranoia may make some people act aggressively, although actual violence rarely occurs. In response to their symptoms, schizophrenics may talk to themselves, neglect personal hygiene, or act in socially inappropriate manners. Symptom severity varies: at times the schizophrenic may seem normal, then suddenly become erratic. These changes in symptoms add to the belief that schizophrenics suffer from split personality.

[ETL]

Here are a few other obviously insane lefty murderers and terrorists...

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Joe Stack (IRS plane crasher) sums up his “manifesto” with this, a popular Karl Marx quote and a stab at Capitalism...

“The communist creed:
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed:
From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

-Joe Stack (1956-2010)
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Full text here: (CNN PDF file)

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"The woman accused of killing three colleagues at the University of Alabama in Huntsville [Amy Bishop] was a suspect in a 1993 attempted mail bombing, according to a report by The Boston Globe.

The report broke the day after it was learned that Bishop fatally shot her brother in Braintree in 1986. ..."

http://www.necn.com/02/14/10/Amy-Bishop-at-time-of-1993-mail-bomb-inv/landing.html?blockID=180453&feedID=4215
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"A family source said Bishop, a mother of four children - the youngest a third-grade boy - was a far-left political extremist who was "obsessed" with President Obama to the point of being off-putting."--Boston Herald, February 15, 2010

'Oddball' portrait of Amy Bishop emerges:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100215oddball_protrait_emerges_suspects_family_pals_offer_clues/srvc=home&position=0

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From SFGate.com:

Unabomber essay urges attacks on 'techno-industrial system'
July 27, 2002 | By Dan Eggen, Dominic Gates, Washington Post

In an article published this spring by Green Anarchy, a radical environmental newsletter, [unabomber Ted] Kaczynski calls on revolutionaries to "eliminate the entire techno-industrial system" by "hitting where it hurts" and disparages the activities of most radicals as "pointless."

http://articles.sfgate.com/2002-07-27/news/17554242_1_contention-that-modern-society-radical-environmental-newsletter-kaczynski-kaczynski-s-views

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From the Wall Street Journal
NOVEMBER 24, 2007

Oswald was a dedicated communist who had defected to the Soviet Union in 1959 out of disgust with American capitalism. After becoming disillusioned with Soviet life, he returned to the U.S. in 1962. In early 1963, he bought a scoped rifle through the mail and soon used it to fire a shot (which missed) at retired general Edwin Walker, the head of the John Birch Society in Dallas. In the summer of 1963, Oswald was active in street demonstrations in support of Castro. In September 1963, he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies in Mexico City seeking a travel visa that would allow him to travel to Cuba.

Oswald was among the radicals of the time who saw Third World revolutionaries like Castro as the wave of the communist future. He was well aware of Kennedy's efforts to overthrow Castro's regime. As a Senate investigative committee suggested in 1975, Oswald shot Kennedy to interrupt his administration's plans to assassinate Castro or to overthrow his regime in Cuba.

Ignoring Oswald's communist links, journalists and political leaders quickly claimed the president was a martyr to civil rights. Earl Warren said that Kennedy had "suffered martyrdom as a result of the hatred and bitterness that has been injected into the life of our nation by bigots." Martin Luther King said the assassination had to be viewed against the backdrop of violence against civil rights marchers in the South. James Reston wrote in the New York Times that "something in the nation itself, some strain of madness and violence, had destroyed the highest symbol of law and order."

The consensus opinion was that Kennedy was a victim of hate and bigotry, a casualty of his support for civil rights. The Cold War and Kennedy's ongoing feud with Castro were rarely mentioned as factors behind the assassination. The reasons? Mrs. Kennedy wanted her husband remembered as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln. Lyndon Johnson feared complicating relations with the Soviet Union. Liberals feared a replay of the McCarthy period, when the Wisconsin senator inflamed public opinion about fears of domestic communism.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119586848318702756.html

[truthkeeper]

After three weeks of class - and after other incidents, including one that led an officer to conclude that "there might be a mental health concern"

Seems like a clear case of schitzophrenia. Everyone trying to pin this rap on the right should be ashamed of themselves.

I wish we would bring back shunning.

[ETL]

"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:

Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E1DE1438F932A2575AC0A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
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"Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders

Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63512670-BF7C-42A0-B41D-5D0FB9E09C09
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"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World — where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' — both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obama’s circle: The same old America-hating Left
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YThjYTU1ZDBjNmQ2YzcwNzU1MmYwN2JiMWY0ZGI0NDA=&w=MA==
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From the Chicago Sun Times, November 13, 2008:

Ayers: Obama was 'family friend'
New afterword to 2001 book, Ayers describes Barack Obama as 'family friend'

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1278532,bill-ayers-barack-obama-book-111308.article#
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Obama Gave Bill Ayers' Book a Rave Review

Source: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31617_Obama_Gave_Bill_Ayers_Book_a_Rave_Review/comments/#ctop

[ETL]

Can anyone think of a lefty murderer or terrorist who ISN'T nuts?

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The Last Honest Liberal-Caitie Parker (Friend of AZ Shooter)
Multiple including twitter interview by Freeper ^ | 1-9-11 | Icwhatudo

Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 5:32:27 AM by icwhatudo
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2653697/posts
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Here are Caitie Parker's original responses to 3 different Twitter posters (the 'at' symbol @ = To: _______ )

[FreedBird]

The Democrat operatives said talk show hosts manipulated his mind. Did he ever watch a violent movie or 24?