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High court turns away appeal from 'birther' leader
Associated Press ^ | January 10, 2011 | Associated Press

Posted on 01/10/2011 10:22:46 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian

The Supreme Court has rejected an appeal from a lawyer who has been in the forefront of the challenge to President Barack Obama's citizenship.

The high court on Monday did not comment in refusing to hear the appeal filed by California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz. She was contesting a $20,000 fine for filing what a federal judge determined was a frivolous lawsuit.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; orly; orlytaitz; taitz
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To: tired_old_conservative

“The second option is that Barak Obama, who wasn’t required to provide any evidence of birth to the general public, decided to posted a fraudlent birth certificate on the Web. And the entire state of Hawaii government, including its Republican governor, is in on the scam. Oh, and none of the people who ran against him cared even though the truth would have blown him out of the water and given them the nomination or election victory they so desperately coveted. Congress and Dick Cheney didn’t care, either. I’m curious what kind of pharmaceutical assistance is needed to find that option compelling.”

Now we’re getting somewhere!


141 posted on 01/11/2011 2:47:40 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo
The Obama Timeline was posted here - in it's entirety - a couple of years ago. I bookmarked it but can't seem to go back that far in a search.

It is an extremely detailed story of Obama's life including reference to over 50 SS numbers used by The Kenyan and the lovely Michelle.

A search online gives only the first few pages. The complete text (runs to about 30 pages) can be purchased from Amazon.

I did print it out at the time it was here on FR. I'll try to find it and give more info on the SS numbers.

142 posted on 01/11/2011 3:04:52 PM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: The Pack Knight
if a bunch of kooks kept claiming that I wasn't born where my birth certificate says I was born after I posted multiple images of it on the internet and pointed out my contemporaneous birth announcement in the local paper, I'd probably just tell them to go pound sand.

I think he was taking notes on what Cheney said to Leahy.

143 posted on 01/11/2011 3:11:05 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: wintertime

Since it is sooooooo plainly evident, then Obama should nod his head to his secretary, and promptly give permission to release all of the best evidence.
Fact: The little 14 and 15 year old spandex clad gymnasts, or cute little teens ice skating in fluffy pink costumes, representing the U.S. in the Olympics are better vetted than the purported “president” occupying our White House

Fact: Verbal statements from Lingle and Fukino ( highly massaged or not) will **not** get anyone a driver’s license in my state.

Fact: It really is very simple to absolutely prove that one is a natural born citizen. Unanointed Americans do this routinely for many reasons.

( These reasons are far far far less critical than being Commander in Chief of the most powerful and potentially most destructive military force since the dawn of humankind.)

Fact: Obama hasn’t proven that he is a natural born citizen with all of the best evidence.

(Personally.... I conclude it is because it is likely that he can’t. If he did release these **common** documents, they would show he is a usurper and criminally defrauded Americans out of MILLIONS of donated dollars during his campaign.)

Isn’t it a tad late to vet a President, two years after he took the Oath of Office?
Obama doesn’t have to prove his eligibility, Obama’s political opposition has to prove his ineligibility and in three years of trying, they have not been able to do that.

I think a federal judge who ruled on the Obama eligibility lawsuit that is the subject of this thread put it rather well in his verdict:
“The Court observes that the President defeated seven opponents in a grueling campaign for his party’s nomination that lasted more than eighteen months and cost those opponents well over $300 million. Then the President faced a formidable opponent in the general election who received $84 million to conduct his general election campaign against the President. It would appear that ample opportunity existed for discovery of evidence that would support any contention that the President was not eligible for the office he sought.”—US Distict Court Judge Clay R. Land, US District Court for the Middle District of Georgia,
“Captain Connie Rhodes v Colonel Thomas D. MacDonald,” September 16, 2009

The two persons and one legal entity that would have legal standing to sue Obama because they can show DIRECT and IMMEDIATE injury from his election if he is ineligible are: John McCain, Sarah Palin, and the Republican National Committee. None of those persons nor that organization has chosen to sue Obama, enter any existing lawsuit as a co-plaintiff or even file an amicus brief in support of any of the Obama eligibility lawsuits.


144 posted on 01/11/2011 3:22:32 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Churchillspirit

Nothing there mentions the bogus claim of numerous SSN’s having been used by BHO.


145 posted on 01/11/2011 3:31:55 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Churchillspirit

By “there” I meant the external link, at least that I saw.


146 posted on 01/11/2011 3:33:35 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Churchillspirit

By “there” I meant the external link, at least that I saw.


147 posted on 01/11/2011 3:34:03 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Churchillspirit

The Obama Timeline was posted here - in it’s entirety - a couple of years ago. I bookmarked it but can’t seem to go back that far in a search.

It is an extremely detailed story of Obama’s life including reference to over 50 SS numbers used by The Kenyan and the lovely Michelle.

A search online gives only the first few pages. The complete text (runs to about 30 pages) can be purchased from Amazon.

I did print it out at the time it was here on FR. I’ll try to find it and give more info on the SS numbers.


How Many Social Security Numbers Do You Have?

That may seem like a ridiculous question, but a recent study found more than 20 million Americans have multiple Social Security numbers associated with their name in commercial records.

The research was conducted by ID Analytics, a San Diego-based company that provides services to both detect identity fraud and to assess consumer identity risk and creditworthiness.

The study also found that rather than serving as a unique identifier, more than 40 million SSNs were associated with multiple people.

“Our research shows that Social Security numbers, contrary to popular perception, do not uniquely identify an individual,” said Stephen Coggeshall, chief technology officer at ID Analytics.

Many of the duplicate numbers were the result of data entry errors as opposed to deliberate falsification, but the fact that these multiple numbers exist shows that it may be difficult for an organization to rely solely on the SSN to verify an individual’s identity.

Telling consumers to be protective of their SSN, while sound advice, may inadvertently reinforce the idea that the SSN is an effective means of identification, according to Tom Oscherwitz, chief privacy officer at ID Analytics.

“Using the SSN as the sole means of identification and verification is a risky proposition,” Oscherwitz said.

The study also found:

More than 100,000 Americans have five or more SSNs associated with their name.
More than 15 percent of SSNs are associated with two or more people.
More than 140,000 SSNs are associated with five or more people.
More than 27,000 SSNs are associated with 10 or more people.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/38678753/How_Many_Social_Security_Numbers_Do_You_Have


148 posted on 01/11/2011 3:35:08 PM PST by jamese777
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To: Churchillspirit
OK, just seeing this post now.

Anyhow, I've never seen any rational basis for the multiple SSN claim. Just endless repetition of the same unfounded idiocy.

149 posted on 01/11/2011 3:36:29 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: wintertime
When did military officers that have combat service ( and one, to my knowledge, highly decorated) become “kooks”?

One has nothing to do with the other. One can be a fine military officer, have combat experience, and even be highly decorated and still subscribe to crazy, unfounded theories. Smedley Butler is a pretty famous example - a bona fide American hero, and also clearly a kook.

Fact: A **real** natural born American president would have had these military men ( and at least one military woman) over for a beer in the Rose Garden and personally presented **all** of the **best** evidence to them and made this evidence fully available for examination by all courts.

Maybe a very polite natural born American president would. I don't see why being a natural born citizen would make one more disposed to rewarding insubordination with a beer and a photo op.

Also, while we're on the subject, I am not certain whether it is the role of Congress, the courts, or both to determine the President's eligibility. I am certain that it is not the military's role.

Also, why would he submit any evidence to the courts, and why would the courts examine that evidence, if the issue of his eligibility has never gone to trial? The Constitution only grants federal courts the jurisdiction to hear cases and controversies between actual parties. They do not have the authority to just examine whatever evidence is handed to them.

Personally...I think you owe our military an apology. They deserve to have a president who has been properly vetted. Since Obama can NOT present the very high standard of having U.S. citizens testify of his origins, he should do the next best thing. Obama should promptly release **all** of the **best** evidence proving his natural born citizenship.

Why do I owe the military an apology? Because I called a handful of military officers with wacky beliefs kooks? The vast majority of the military has nothing to do with this nonsense. Does that make them "Obots"?

And yes, the military does deserve a better Commander in Chief. That's why I didn't vote for Obama. Unfortunately, Obama won and he's the Commander in Chief they have. Hopefully, that will no longer be the case come January 20th, 2013.

And yes, having U.S. citizens testify to his origins is a very high standard. One you've completely made up and which has no basis in the law.

And finally, Obama has released perfectly adequate evidence proving his natural born citizenship, even though he is as yet under no legal obligation to do so. The document he released on the internet is, under the law of Hawaii, prima facie evidence of the fact of his birth in Hawaii. His birth in Hawaii makes him a natural born citizen under any legal standard likely to be applied in any American court.
150 posted on 01/11/2011 3:41:44 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: jamese777
Isn’t it a tad late to vet a President,
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So?...You are admitting that Obama wasn't vetted! Wow!

This is progress and a step in the right direction. A few more baby steps and you will be a fully initiated birther! ;-)

The fact is Obama has been politely asked by some military officers and other citizens to prove his natural born citizenship. Instead of doing that cheerfully, promptly, and with good natured **HONOR**, Obama has gone to considerable effort to prevent the release of some really basic documents.

The polls show that growing numbers of American simply can not state with conviction that their president is a natural born citizen and eligible to be occupying the White House.

151 posted on 01/11/2011 3:42:33 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: jamese777
Gee, if your personal opinion is so “clear” and “undeniable” why has it had absolutely no impact on any of the events involving Obama’s eligibility?

My 'opinion' when using this word was only in the context specific to Lingle's statement that you post over and over as if it means anything. That statement by Lingle is demonstrably false because (as you well know) her director of health did not put out a news release saying Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. This lie doesn't automatically mean Obama is not eligible for POTUS because it's still fractionally within the realm of possibility he was born in Hawaii and was born to a U.S. citizen father. The latter, if ever proven, does not forgive Lingle for lying nor you for spreading her lie.

152 posted on 01/11/2011 3:43:02 PM PST by edge919
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To: The Pack Knight
Why do I owe the military an apology?
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You called several military officers KOOKS! ( all have combat zone experience, and one, that I know of, is highly decorated). Wow! I call that brazen.

153 posted on 01/11/2011 3:47:13 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: edge919

My ‘opinion’ when using this word was only in the context specific to Lingle’s statement that you post over and over as if it means anything. That statement by Lingle is demonstrably false because (as you well know) her director of health did not put out a news release saying Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital. This lie doesn’t automatically mean Obama is not eligible for POTUS because it’s still fractionally within the realm of possibility he was born in Hawaii and was born to a U.S. citizen father. The latter, if ever proven, does not forgive Lingle for lying nor you for spreading her lie.


Every time a person misspeaks, it doesn’t mean that they are lying.
The Governor could have simply forgotten the exact wording of a news release issued in July 29, 2009 when she was speaking extemporaneously during a live radio interview in May of 2010.

If any legislative or judicial proceeding ever formally examines this issue, Governor Lingle can be called to clarify her statement and her recollection of what Dr. Fukino said to her and what was actually in the media release.


154 posted on 01/11/2011 3:50:20 PM PST by jamese777
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To: The Pack Knight
And finally, Obama has released perfectly adequate evidence proving his natural born citizenship,
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Evidence? He couldn't even represent the U.S. on an Olympic ice skating team! ( with or without the pink fluffy costume).

155 posted on 01/11/2011 3:50:20 PM PST by wintertime (Re: Obama, Rush Limbaugh said, "He was born here." ( So? Where's the proof?))
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To: TNTNT
It is obvious that the statements and defense by the Hawaiian Republican Administration were vigorous enough for most rational persons, and Congress including the Speaker of the House, John Boehner.

Or it's simply possible that Boehner wants to avoid the issue and uses a cheap excuse to cover his ass. Calling a handful of purposely vague statements a 'vigorours' defense is poppycock. Second, you and James seem to be forgetting that the current governor of Hawaii managed to help get a resolution passed by the Congress to recognize Hawaii's 50th anniversary of statehood while slipping in a cheap, but unsubstantiated claim that Obama was born in Hawaii. Boehner could just as easily be thinking about this resolution as much as anything he heard in the news. Or he could be thinking of the CRS report sent out to Congress to cover Obama's ass. Or he could be responding to misleading and inaccurate reports in the LMSM. That he or any other legislator would claim to be satisfied may only be an expression made with the purpose of disassociation from the issue because they don't want to know or admit the truth. There's no need to make excuses for these people when it should be possible to get full disclosure and not rely on their ill-informed and/or ass-covering opinions.

156 posted on 01/11/2011 3:50:27 PM PST by edge919
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To: jamese777
Every time a person misspeaks, it doesn’t mean that they are lying.

We're not talking about everytime a person misspeaks, just one time when the governor made a claim that is completely divorced from reality. She asserted something to be a fact that clearly is not.

The Governor could have simply forgotten the exact wording of a news release issued in July 29, 2009 when she was speaking extemporaneously during a live radio interview in May of 2010.

The tone she used was not of a forgetful woman. The bottom line is that you are acknowledging that her statement is not based on fact.

157 posted on 01/11/2011 3:53:11 PM PST by edge919
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To: wintertime

I have never spoken to a true conservative who had the least bit of difficulty grasping the issue of an Oval Office occupier with so many secrets. Liberal Obama-philes are only too happy to take O’s word for everything, and let him keep ten thousand deep dark secrets if that suits him. Every genuine conservative I’ve ever met intuitively understands that for a POTUS to put so many personal records off limits is a bad and potentially dangerous—if not devastating—thing.

What, for instance, IS the “embarrassing” issue LTC Lakin’s judge alluded to? How can we know Obama’s not being blackmailed over it, as we speak, by a powerful foreign entity who knows far more about him than we do?

It is madness to defend Obama’s behavior. Sheer madness. It therefore makes little or no sense to spend the time it takes to read the mindless repetitions of people who can’t figure that simple, basic truth out. Since I began ignoring said posts, these threads have been a lot faster and more enjoyable to read.

Eventually we will find out what that weird judge was talking about. In the meantime, we will keep asking the pertinent questions, and wondering why a *little* transparency seems so unreasonable/too much to ask in some quarters.


158 posted on 01/11/2011 3:59:42 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: edge919

We’re not talking about everytime a person misspeaks, just one time when the governor made a claim that is completely divorced from reality. She asserted something to be a fact that clearly is not.


If Obama’s birth certificate says that he was born at Kapiolani, then she misspoke only in saying that Kapiolani was mentioned in the news release. If Obama’s birth certificate says that he was born elsewhere, then you are correct. Her statement is divorced from reality.
Since Kapiolani published a letter from Obama saying that it was the place of his birth, I’m going with the Governor.

The tone she used was not of a forgetful woman. The bottom line is that you are acknowledging that her statement is not based on fact.

I’m not sure how a person sounds “forgetful.”

I said it must be frustrating and difficult for someone who campaigned for John McCain and who delivered one of Sarah Palin’s endorsement speeches at the Republican National Convention to have to be backing up Obama.

I am acknowledging that several words in Governor Lingle’s statement were not based in fact: “...saying that the President was in fact born at Kapiolani Hospital...”

What if Obama’s grandparents had a perfectly legitimate Hawaii birth certificate, complete with Physician’s signature and hospital name placed in the files of the Hawaii Health Bureau back in 1961 to cover up a Canadian birth for Stanley’s child and Lingle and Fukino have simply reported what is actually there?


159 posted on 01/11/2011 4:18:29 PM PST by jamese777
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To: PubliusMM

The SC has shown it is not preactive as to Obama’s eligibility despite irrefutable evidence that something had /has gone awry as to the elective procedures. The SC has also shown it is not proactive to honor the oath to protect and defend the Constitution. However. when all is said and done we can be assured the SC will have done it’s part in the coverup and members on their way to collecting pensions for being the bastion for helping change.


160 posted on 01/11/2011 4:23:34 PM PST by noinfringers2
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