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Did "Conscious Dreaming" Cause a Psychotic Break? ("Conscience dreams were a great study" -Loughner)
Amazon.com ^ | May 1996 | Robert Moss / Wikipedia

Posted on 01/09/2011 6:55:06 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas

Booklist review of "Conscious Dreaming: A Spiritual Path for Everyday Life," by Robert Moss, on Amazon.com:

This is more and better than just a book about how to remember and understand dreams, although it is that kind of book and as good as any such recently published. Moss covers all the expected terrain, from how to train the mind to recall its nightly narratives, through how to unravel meaning from them, to how to start and sustain a dream group. But his book excels because he extends its purview to include shamanic dreaming, dreams of dead loved ones, healing dreams, angels, and spirit guides. Moss explores these more esoteric matters with great skill. Taking his cue from ancient and tribal traditions that see in dreams more than a set of symbols connected to individual psychology, Moss offers evidence that in dreams we connect with the transpersonal. Thus, an angel in a dream could be the dreamer's better self--or a real angel, come to help the dreamer through life's challenges. Moss' unusual approach to a perpetually intriguing subject is likely to appeal to a wide spectrum of readers. --Patricia Monaghan



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KEYWORDS: conscience; consciencedreaming; consciousdreaming; dreams; giffords; jaredloughner; loughner; luciddreaming; shooter
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Well you can give this any flavor you may like...but to sum up your rational...it’s not far from New Age thinkers....whose roots are in Hinduism.

” Centering” is definately New Age by the way...and unfortunately it’s also moved within the Psycology field...and several other Eastern Religions.

God calls us to “fix” our mind, heart and soul ‘on Him’. So when the need has been to seek Him... He does all that is needed within me...and others...who do that.


81 posted on 01/13/2011 6:54:32 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

If one digs deep one will find the roots are Sufism - Islam.


82 posted on 01/14/2011 10:21:28 AM PST by bronxville
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To: bronxville

So are you saying Hinduism has it’s roots in Sufism-Islam?
If so how so?


83 posted on 01/14/2011 10:27:53 AM PST by caww
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To: bronxville

My understanding is that Sufism- ISlam used Jewish, Christian, Gnostic, Hellenistic, Zoroastrian and Hindu traditions that were brought into Islam by converts from the many conquered populations.


84 posted on 01/14/2011 10:30:45 AM PST by caww
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To: fanfan
You want my opinion? It’s that part of us that lives before we are conceived and that continues to live on after our body dies.

Are you talking about reincarnation? If not, then you can ignore what's below... The only coherent account of the act of human understanding that I've read is the Aristotelian one. The soul is the form of the body. An Aristotelian form is that which makes a thing what it is. It is essentially non-material. In the act of understanding, the form of the thing known becomes one with the knower. There is no "gap" between the thing known and the knower. Therefore, it is logically possible for me to know with certainty that when I apprehend a tree, I am really apprehending a tree.

If this account of the human act of understanding is true, then the form is the essential aspect of each and every thing, and the transmigration of forms (souls) would be impossible. It would be logically possible for the soul (form) to be separated from the body ("unnaturally," as in death), but not to be re-attached to some other body.

Thomistic Philosophy

85 posted on 01/14/2011 3:34:08 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Unstable mind meets lots of drugs and lots of bad information. Hilarity does not ensue.


86 posted on 01/14/2011 3:37:26 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: caww; St_Thomas_Aquinas
However, what then is the difference between the soul and the spirit..in your opinion"

Spirit? What do you mean?

Are you talking about reincarnation?

I don't know how life works. Lol, silly FReepers.

87 posted on 01/16/2011 10:26:59 AM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: fanfan
Are you talking about reincarnation?

Uh...no, not in the least. I don't know how life works.

Maybe time for you to learn.

88 posted on 01/16/2011 3:58:41 PM PST by caww
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

D R U G S !


89 posted on 01/16/2011 4:16:00 PM PST by kcvl
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To: DejaJude

He thought the grass was BLUE. That sounds like he was tripping on more than pot. Someone mentioned he was in to Salvia, a psychoactive plant which can induce dissociative effects and is a potent producer of “visions” and other hallucinatory experiences.


90 posted on 01/16/2011 4:30:14 PM PST by kcvl
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To: caww; St_Thomas_Aquinas

Heh.

My first reply was to you. What do you mean “spirit”?

The second reply was mostly to St_Thomas_Aquinas, (who I am pinging again because I mentioned him/her in this post), however I did want you to realize that I don’t presume to know the mind of God.


91 posted on 01/17/2011 1:57:59 PM PST by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

I think the biggest issue with lucid dreaming and the psychotic break comes in the first few hours after leaving the dream state. I’m working on my masters in Psychology I’m highly intelligent and typically very psychologically sound. However, I just had a very lucid dream, which over the years I’ve learned to relax and enjoy and look for cues to continue the dream, but thats just the issue. When you awaken you feel certain at first that you are home, and then you look for cues. Its disturbing when your mind has been working overtime even for a very small window of time to find cues that change your scenery and location only to come out of that search mode to a stable environment. Facinating stuff and if you have the mental fortitude I suggest you practice it and explore, but be forewarned it is not for the faint of heart, and by that I don’t mean the macho do well, the truely mentally strong and capable can explore safely, but very very cautiously.


92 posted on 02/16/2011 3:10:18 PM PST by peter venkman
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