Posted on 01/06/2011 4:00:50 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
You, I, and about 30% of the electorate are suffering from a mass episode of Cognitive Dissonance, which is driving us nuts, and Team Obama to take extreme measures to hide any and all knowledge of the President's previous history.
The Problem: (A) No way Obama is eligible according to the traditional interpretation of Article II, and its requirement for the POTUS to be a "Natural Born Citizen." His sole claim is that he is a "Native Born American Citizen." He has never said otherwise.
Team Obama has invested millions to keep the issue from the courts and in the newspapers. The courts have found that they have jurisdictional issues, and the plaintiffs against Team Obama have no standing before them. The only court that does have jurisdiction is The Federal District Court in Washington, D.C., which is part of Team Obama. If the Attorney General refuses to take the plaintiff's case for a Writ of Quo Warranto, which is his right as the President's attorney, the court must appoint another attorney for the plaintiffs. So far they have even refused to consider the case.
(B)Obama is the President. He was elected by a majority of the citizens. He Was selected by The Electoral College. He was sworn in by the Chief Justice.
Something that should not be, is. Cognitive Dissonance. This is a situation not unknown in history.
Thus, Obama will remain in office until 2012. For the next two years, he controls the Executive Branch, including the vast government bureaucracy, and the Senate. There is no workable way to get him out of office before that time. We are essentially a Damage Control Party. We can do nothing but manage the fire and try and keep the ship of state afloat. We can try to get public opinion on our side, but the public doesn't run the country.
So, reality time. There is actually now NO CONNECTION between eligibility issues and Obama, unless he chooses to run for another term. Despite the taint of illegitimacy, he is the sitting POTUS. The task before us is to define "Natural Born Citizen," set it in stone and make sure that (A) Obama cannot run again, and (B) neither can anyone else who does not fit what has now become OUR definition of "Natural Born Citizen." (C)If we can prevail, the Republic will survive this Constitutional crisis. (D)If not ....
Good info on both replies, which is very much appreciated. I still have doubts, though, which could be cleared up but probably won’t be anytime soon.
Your sound is like the old traitor QUISLING! [skip] QUISLING! [skip] QUISLING! [skip] etc., ‘nuf said!!!
You still sound like a broken record, over and over and over and over again’ like a paid enabler that you really are!!!
That's right. As FReeper Spaulding put it so precisely...
A born British subject can not be our President.
Regardless of place of birth.
In that case, why does anyone even care what his stupid birth certificate says??
It matters because it indicates who's the Daddy.
If it was NON-CITIZEN Obama Sr. then Jr. isn't a Natural Born Citizen, even if he were born in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House.
Team One ought to knock itself out in their pursuit of the issue of illegitimacy. Leave no stone unturned., Etc. etc. Keep going with the good lawyers. Try and get elected officials on your team. Hint: BHO, Jr. is going to be sitting POTUS for 2 more long years. Illegitimate though he very well is, his tenure is, for all practical purposes, unassailable. Make him as uncomfortable as possible, and move on.
Team Two had better spend its quality time to keep an eye on the one asset we do have: The House of Representatives. AKA "Damage Control." This country is on fire, and that fire needs to be put out, or at least damped down until we get more Republicans in to actually control Congress, and Please the Lord, The WH.
What we do not need is internecine warfare between Teams one and Two. Pick a team and lets give this SOB hell!
It's the alleged (R)'s and other conservatives that want to stop those of us looking to stop Barry from setting the precedent that it's OK to have someone born with foreign allegiance be our POTUS and CinC.
I use my money and my efforts for both teams you describe. It can be done.
Cheers.
Exactly the point, and the same one Spaulding makes up thread (and I and many others have made for a long time now). In the case of Chester Arthur, the B.C. was made the issue (albeit, not as big an issue comparatively to Barry's) instead of his born with foreign citizenship.
Generally speaking, it's much easier for people who don't know the history during the founding era to make a decision for themselves weather or not Barry is eligible...if he was in fact born in another country.
What many American's don't realize, is that the framers put the NBC requirement in to prevent (as best as possible) someone who themselves were born with foreign allegiance owed becoming the Commander in Chief of the (then) army and navy and the head of the executive branch who enters into dealings and agreements with foreign heads of state (conflict of interest).
It's really a national security/sovereignty issue at it's core.
The Official GOP Chant issued by elected Republicans in response to the "Natural Born Citizen" question. But that is who we have to work with over the next two years.
Pray for one governor, one state legislature, one state's AG, to fight to keep him off 1 state ballot in 2012. Federally, we are going nowhere with this.
It matters because it indicates who's the Daddy.
If it was NON-CITIZEN Obama Sr. then Jr. isn't a Natural Born Citizen, even if he were born in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House.
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That's right. At this point, it's "popularly" assumed that Sr. was his legal father at birth. Of course, we don't know that to be a fact.
A copy of the hospital generated long form (if it exists) would indicate who the daddy was (if it does at all).
If Sr. is listed, then it's proof he's a usurper as he was born a British subject.
If Sr. isn't listed but an American citizen is (ex. FMD), then Barry would have been born a Natural Born Citizen.
However, then the issue of weather or not he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia and weather or not he lost his NBC status as a result...becomes important.
If he did, then he's still a usurper. If he didn't, then Barry would need to explain why he took multiple oaths of office (State Senate, U.S. Senate, "POTUS") under the name "Obama" when that wasn't his legal name. I believe that would be a felony. Not to mention, the clearly fraudulent short form B.C. that showed up on HIS campaign web site listed Sr. as his father. A fraudulent government document. Another felony I believe. At that point, impeachment would be in order.
No matter how it's looked at, Barry is perhaps the single largest fraud ever perpetrated upon this country. And done so, on the watch of all of us.
Chet got away with it. IMO, that is what gave BHO, Jr.'s team the nerve to try it. In fact, until last year, when Attorney Donofrio inspired the research, it wasn't proven that Chet had lied about his origins. 125 years!
Thanks to the internet-inspired revolt, we'll prove that Obama lied in 5!
Even if the country is "lucky" to get 1 state to have an explicit requirement for a long form b.c. (for example) in order for someone to run for POTUS (yes, we want this to happen in all 50 states, but realistically it won't)...expect that requirement to be tied up in the courts. Perhaps for years, perhaps not. Will it be effective in time for the 2012 election? Who knows.
Then, even IF we are fortunate to have such rules in place for one (or more) states...it STILL wouldn't answer the question of weather or not someone like Barry...who (let's say for the sake of the argument) was born in HI and his B.C. lists Sr. as his father but who was ALSO born a British subject, inherited by birthright from his foreign father. What then? The argument will have been greatly diffused because THEN most people would say...look, you already have your requirement of proof in place, yet you want more.
The root of the issue must be addressed.
That is, can someone born a foreign citizen...regardless of place of birth, can that person who was born with foreign allegiance owed be considered a "Natural Born Citizen" even though the framers wouldn't have considered them such? Someone producing a long form B.C. doesn't necessarily answer that question.
Intent of the framers. That's what we need here, and what we want.
That, and working to get more real conservatives who believe in our Constitution...ALL of it, elected.
C.A.'s eligibility issues appear to not have been nearly as widely known in the public back then as Barry's were in 2008 and even more so now.
If Barry is allowed to successfully usurp an entire term, the next person who is born with foreign citizenship can challenge in court saying that not only did C.A. "get away with it" but Barry did too and much of the country openly knew about it or at least questioned it.
The situation needs to be "nipped in the bud" so as to prevent the country from having to go through this all over again in the future.
Exactly! For the life of me I can not understand the motivations (unless of course they are simply obot trolls) of those that spend so much time and energy on these threads attacking members of Team One. Some have tried to explain, mostly with the "I don't want us (meaning fellow conservatives) to:
- look foolish to the MSM or other enemies
- waste our time & resources on a "lost cause"
- or some combination of the above."
I mean really!?!? Does anyone expect that Team One members and/or supporters are going to change our minds because of these incessant whining posts? Really? And the real kicker in all of this -- so many of them say they would "like to see the usurper removed" but spend all of their time arguing (and some in very snotty and snide ways) against the results of a Team One victory! I mean come on, how can I believe that anyone that would really want to see our Constitution upheld and not allow our highest office to be usurped, is going to be spending so much time & energy arguing against Team One.
I mean, even if you truly thought it was a "lost cause" and a resource waster, why say anything? No one is twisting anyone's arm to join Team One. Keep your mouth shut and get busy on Team Two (or Team Three or Four!); don't waste your time trying to tell Team One to stop the efforts. Unless of course, they really don't want Team One's effort to bear fruit!
Bingo! (And THANK YOU very much for all of the illuminating research and posts that you have provided for us on this vital issue!)
“My hope is that some prosecutor, ANY prosecutor in the nation will conduct a Grand Jury investigation of this issue and subpoena documents, compel witnesses to testify under oath, and allow expert testimony.
There are no issues of legal standing to get in the way of a grand jury investigation.
If the grand jury finds no evidence of a crime having been committed, it is disbanded. If it does find evidence, then indictments can be handed down.”
Amen to that!
Slightly off topic, but of interest, I think. If you get this post in time, please take a look at the pic of Obama posted on the top of the Drudge page. Obama doesn’t look like Obama Sr or FMD; he looks like a DEAD ringer for Malcolm X. The resemblance is so strong, it’s scary-spooky.
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