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To: Springfield Reformer
Haven't read it, probably won't!

Your alleged Christianity does not give you a reason to be published. It sounds like you may be a little too aggressive for anybody with sound minds. How many Chinese Christians have you met? I have met thousands.

There are Bible Apps, Talmudic Apps, and even Buddhist ones on the App store or online. You can get the i-Ching as an App, or the Art of War. Apple is concerned with many things, and aggressive attitudes of any type are discouraged. Apple is no more leftist than MicroCrap or Dell.

What a whiner, or is it wiener? Political reality and moral convictions? Try motes and beams!!!

Posted from my MacBook. My iPhone is re-charging... and my iPad is loaded and ready!


65 posted on 01/06/2011 4:23:59 PM PST by WVKayaker (Faith makes the discords of the present become the harmonies of the future - Robert Collyer)
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To: WVKayaker
What a whiner, or is it wiener?

How odd. You freely violate your FR agreement regarding name-calling, yet, though I have called you no names, you say I am too agressive for people with sound minds? Hmmm... that is very agressive talk on your part. The reason name-calling is forbidden on FR is because 1) it is not a Godly thing to do, 2) it IS too agressive for sound minds, and 3) it does not advance the discussion at all. Disagree with me if you must, but I must ask you to at least be consistent with your own sense of moral superiority.

alleged Christianity

Even stranger, you cast doubt on my Christianity because I wish to see a Christian message successfully published? Honestly, that actually makes no sense to me. I don't know what you're saying. As for having a reason to be published, everyone who believes in Jesus has a reason to be published, as we are all responsible before God for spreading the Gospel, and that is reason enough. See Matthew 28:19-20. Will you at least read that?

Haven't read it, probably won't!

That speaks volumes. So you have no idea what the Manhattan Declaration is about, yet you feel free to insult those who do know what it says. Do you really think that is a fair way to treat people?

aggressive attitudes of any type are discouraged

Really? There are no aggressive games, like the iDracula survival shooter game, for example? No military iPhone apps? No, what you really appear to mean, and correct me if I am wrong, is that anyone who won’t just back down like a good little sheep when confronted with moral evil is “too aggressive for sound minds.” I guess you would say then that the Prophet Daniel was too aggressive when he wouldn’t bow to the statue of Nebuchadnezzar, or that Jesus was too aggressive when he took a whip to the money-changers in the Temple, or that the Apostles were too aggressive when they disobeyed the Sanhedrin and kept preaching the Gospel even when it was illegal to do so?

How many Chinese Christians have you met?

None, other than reading their stories. You have me there. But what’s your point? I’m really not clear why you even raised the issue. I’ve had contact with persecuted Christians, and I keep track of reports on the hardships of life for Chinese Christians. I think you’re point is, and I’m just guessing here because you didn’t make it clear, that Christians living under that degree of oppression do not have the luxury of complaining (or whining, as you put it) about the moral evil in their culture, so why should the Manhattan people complain about an app. If that’s what you meant, I dispute that premise, on two levels.

First, Christians never get out of the duty to speak out against the moral evils of their day, and even to disobey civil authority if obedience puts them in disobedience to God. The methods and the means may vary, but the duty never goes away.

Second, my information suggests the Chinese Christians are doing their level best to carry out their duty to speak to the moral evils of their culture, and the primary evidence of this is their persecution. The reason Communist regimes hate people whose conscience is controlled by God and not the state is because they can’t really control those people. Christians don’t make very good drones. Communists really are psychotic control freaks. It’s what drives them. And so people of conscience are their single worst enemy.

And that’s why the Manhattan app is so important. It is nothing other than what Christians have been teaching for the last 2000 years, even the “aggression” part. It has been a normal feature of Christian cultures. And while Dell and Microsoft may be of like mind, Apple has crossed a line by now declaring openly that normal Christian belief is dangerous. To accept this passively will only encourage greater and greater efforts to marginalize and eventually criminalize Christian belief, as the so-called hate laws demonstrate. It is better to fight that descent into tyranny now, while there is hope of success, than to wait until the situation becomes as oppressive as it is in China.

90 posted on 01/07/2011 8:14:39 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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