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Illegal Aliens Are Not Criminals ( Barf )
Pajamasmedia.com ^ | February 21, 2010 | Ruben Navarrette Jr

Posted on 12/31/2010 2:36:47 AM PST by Robert Drobot

Here’s a simple question: are all illegal immigrants — by definition — criminals?

Not long ago, I would have answered: “Yes, of course.” In fact, in a column from 2005, I said as much and urged fellow Latinos not to gloss over the fact that these people broke the rules in entering the United States without authorization. I noted that there are those who don’t like the term “illegal immigrant” because they don’t think that people trying to feed their families should be labeled criminals.

“What else would we call them?” I wrote. “They broke the law. We can be sympathetic to their plight without condoning their actions...."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; criminalaliens; illegalalieninvaders; illegalaliens; illegalmeansillegal; invasion; navarrette
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To: AuntB; Liz

there are those who don’t like the term “illegal immigrant”
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The proper term is “illegal alien”


21 posted on 12/31/2010 6:17:21 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Robert Drobot
How about calling them “Illegal Invader Criminals” “Soon to be Deportees” or “Undocumented Democrats”?

I'm not going to worry about someone from another country “wanting to feed his family” at the expense of our own legal citizens being able to feed his family!

It is cruel and insane to invite people into our country (legally or illegally) when unemployment 10% +

22 posted on 12/31/2010 6:20:48 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Robert Drobot

they don’t think that people trying to feed their families should be labeled criminals.
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However when single illegal aliens with no families turn up here theyre not trying to feed a family...

and that is most of the illegal aliens..

Plus you steal from a grocery store and use that excuse and see where it gets you ...


23 posted on 12/31/2010 6:20:48 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Robert Drobot

No, they are not criminals.....just illegal ( wait, my head is starting to spin...makes no sense....illogical )...


24 posted on 12/31/2010 6:22:32 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: Liz
La Raza has a phony premise.

The descendants of the very few Mexican citizens that were in AZ 150 years and did not choose to go over the border back into Mexico at any point in the last 150 years can claim they were here first. The ones that stayed in Mexico have NO claim. Any illegals sneaking in now have ZERO claim. The United States won it 150 years ago. Mexico had AZ for only about 25 years and there were only around 10,000 in the southwest when we won the war against Mexico.

The United States was very generous when we won against Mexico. Mexico started the war. We won and could’ve taken the entire country fair and square as the spoils of war.
If LaRaza keep flapping their gums we could implement the Reconquisadoracion of Mexico.

We charge Mexico for the land that they have now. Sell all their valuable assets, as the Soviet Union did when they took over Eastern Europe, charge Mexico for ALL the social services that we have squandered on illegal aliens including hospital visits.

Charge Mexico for all the lost wages and unemployment paid to legal Americans over the decades because the illegal aliens took their jobs and made everyone’s pay in the US lower by having a much too large pool of labor.
Put all the illegal aliens into Belize and Guatemala, because it is a very small border to protect, and pay those countries a few billion dollars out of what we make on the sale of the assets of Mexico to send every citizen of Mexico into their country since legally ALL of Mexico should, by rights, belong to the USA.

25 posted on 12/31/2010 6:27:59 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: PATRIOT1876
Keep in mind that the US Govt (that's us, the taxpayers) funds La Raza.

April 23, 2007 - IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
Sponsor: Rep Hinojosa, Ruben [TX-15] COSPONSOR Rep Renzi, Rick [AZ-1]
To authorize appropriations for assistance for the National Council of La Raza and the Raza Development Fund.
(b) Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section—
(1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and
(2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter.
SOURCE http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=25447

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La Raza is also finacially supported by many corporations and tax-exempt foundations (listed on the Discover the Networks.org). Among them:

American Express Foundation, AT&T Foundation, Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Fannie Mae Foundation, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, W. K. Kellogg Foundation, John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, David and Lucile Packard Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation and Verizon Foundation.

NOTE WELL Between 2001 and 2003, the Ford Foundation gave La Raza about $9.83 million, with one grant alone totaling $8.05 million and has also assisted invaders to setup legal groups that are suing Americans.

26 posted on 12/31/2010 6:41:21 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB

I still prefer the term “illegal invaders.”


27 posted on 12/31/2010 6:42:21 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: Robert Drobot
Illegal Aliens Are Not Criminals

EVERY OTHER COUNTRY ON THE PLANET thinks you are a CRIMINAL if you enter their country illegally.

Heck, just try riding a JETSKI anywhere NEAR the MEXICAN BORDER.

Not only are you 'illegal', you are also 'dead'.

28 posted on 12/31/2010 6:50:26 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: RoadTest

“Illegal Aliens Are Not Criminals”

Yeah.... those rapists, murderers, and drug dealers are real upstanding citizens.

MAYBE we should stop everyone who ‘looks’ like an alien and check their ‘record’. Then we could let the innocent proceed to naturalization and deport the criminals.

OOPS, I forgot. We can’t ‘profile’.


29 posted on 12/31/2010 6:57:22 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The proper term is "Criminal Invaders"...
30 posted on 12/31/2010 7:37:35 AM PST by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: Robert Drobot
"Illegal Aliens Are Not Criminals"

Mexico seems think differently when it comes to their borders.

31 posted on 12/31/2010 7:39:48 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: Robert Drobot

If one breaks a local, state, or federal law to feed one’s family, one is indeed a criminal...not Robin Hood. =.=


32 posted on 12/31/2010 8:19:47 AM PST by cranked
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To: Liz; Tennessee Nana; moonshinner_09; andyk; AuntB; Clintonfatigued; calcowgirl; ...
Meanwhile in NY:

Paterson Makes Last-Minute Deal With Feds On Illegal Immigrants

33 posted on 12/31/2010 8:44:32 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Liz
*Authorization of Appropriations- There is authorized to be appropriated for grants under this section—
(1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and
(2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter. *

That's sinister!

I wonder how much the Feds are giving to the Communist Party?

34 posted on 12/31/2010 8:57:24 AM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Tennessee Nana; Liz; moonshinner_09; andyk; AuntB; Clintonfatigued; calcowgirl; ...
And who better to set me straight than someone who would have to be considered an expert on the enforcement of immigration law? Assistant Homeland Security Secretary John Morton is currently head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement. A former federal prosecutor, Morton is no squishy liberal and he doesn’t take lawbreakers lightly.

Not a "squishy-headed liberal."

He is worse than that. He is a rogue official who ignores part of the law he doesn't like.

This is like libs who justify Obamacare's death counseling regulations they just sneaked in by saying, "But Bush did the same thing!"

35 posted on 12/31/2010 9:06:24 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Yes. I have been hearing this drool for several years now. Congress needs simply to pass a law making it a criminal offense to enter the US without official authorization/permission. Problem solved.
36 posted on 12/31/2010 10:43:22 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: PATRIOT1876; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; La Lydia; Clintonfatigued
Authorized appropriations for grants to La Raza: (1) $5,000,000 for fiscal year 2008; and, (2) $10,000,000 for each fiscal year thereafter.

When Congress allocates funds, it is very specific on where and how it can be spent (hard to believe). Can the tax-exempt La Raza prove where they spent the grants? Oh, never mind, the FBI, SEC, IRS, GAO can find out (/snix).

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37 posted on 12/31/2010 11:12:45 AM PST by Liz (There's a new definition of bipartisanship in Washington -- it's called "former member.")
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To: Robert Drobot

The only thing that will work is to define illegal entry as a felony at both the federal and state level. And empower private citizens to be authorized to use deadly force to prevent commission of felonies.


38 posted on 12/31/2010 11:19:17 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

US Code covers this. Why is it ignored?

8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
Search 8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
penalty of -
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
imposed.
(c) Marriage fraud
Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
$250,000, or both.
(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
with title 18, or both.


39 posted on 12/31/2010 11:26:29 AM PST by artichokegrower
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To: Liz
Navarrette has caught up with Rudy's theme

Rudy: Illegal immigration not a crime

They're setting the stage. Amnesty for all illegals that haven't been convicted of a crime.

After all, the U.S. needs more slave labor. /s

40 posted on 12/31/2010 12:48:40 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Controlling carbon is a bureaucrat’s dream. If you control carbon, you control life" —Lindzen)
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