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To: RJR_fan
Option C: The middle-east will become a vigorous source of Christian progress, after Islam is discredited.

So how is islam going to be discredited in the eyes of the moslems? It just won't happen. Without a personal visit from God (and while many moslems do get Damascus road experiences the number is still way to small to eradicate the culture over there) a moslem will never change. The brainwashing is just too severe, especially while living in a moslem country.

It really will take the death of every last moslem to cleanse the earth of this plague.

Words seem insufficient to describe the condign contempt due the prophecy pimps, the Christians who claim the ability to peek into the future -- and see nothing there but disaster.

How can you equate Jesus coming back to disaster? The return of teh Lord would be the absolute best thing to ever happen (at least for those of us who are already saved) None of the so=called "prophecy experts" predicted the sudden collapse of the Soviet Union.

Neal Lipken, a teahcer in Indianapolis talked about this in one of his classes. He is unfortunately not broadcast anywhere as he teaches end time bible prophecy as a hobby (He's an orthodontist by trade). Russia will attack Israel. The only question is when.

In the aftermath of that gracious act of God, those wickedly ungrateful lunatics and evildoers desperately scurried around, seeking other antichrist candidates to suck up to, cower before, grovel before, demean the gospel before.

Odd, I don't reacll anyone doing any of those actions, but the again maybe we watch different TV.

This hideous ingratitude may incline our God to demolish America's state religion, secular humanism, before He turns to Islam.

He will. Either we will be conquered by islam or become something worse. We (the US) is not mentioned in end time prophecy except as "they who dwell carelessly in the isles (coastlands)". BUt we do take part in the war against israel along with the rest of the world. The Christians will already be out of here when that happens however.

I pray not -- I live here! -- but our family is covering its bases, by undermining secular humanism (we home school) and reaching out to Muslim students.

Always a wise thing to do, regardless of the outcome.

9 posted on 12/29/2010 11:22:08 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

RJR fan is a fan of Rushdoony the looney, known for his Post-Millennialism doctrine. Postmill believes Christian influence is going to improve society more and more until such a point we will have a thousand years of Christian theocratic rule over this world, a veritable utopia. A Christian one world government if you please.

And all of this MINUS the second coming Christ. Christ comes AFTER this thousand years of Christian one world government according to the Rushdoony cult. The New Testament, of course, says just the opposite, the world will NOT get better and better but worse and worse before Christ comes.

Perhaps now you see why fan of RJR is always trashing “prophecy pimps.” The post-mills with their polyanna utopia consider those of us who see the Bible quite differently, that things are going to get worse and worse in this world (Premillennialist), are their worst enemies. They are on these threads deceiving everybody they can with their silly view.


11 posted on 12/29/2010 12:14:07 PM PST by sasportas
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To: John O
Russia will attack Israel. The only question is when.

Yep...Not often I see this fact on FR. As you likely know Russia is moving right along and gaining ground as never before. They will be defeated but watching the build up, as much as is reported, is interesting to follow. The "Hook" is forthcoming but as you say 'when' remains to be seen.

29 posted on 12/29/2010 11:13:54 PM PST by caww
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To: John O; RJR_fan; Dr. Eckleburg; CynicalBear; topcat54
Without a personal visit from God (and while many moslems do get Damascus road experiences the number is still way to small to eradicate the culture over there) a moslem will never change

Frankly, I'm dubious. I hear these stories too, but they seem "too good to be true". See the comments here, by a native Turkish pastor, on alleged salvation by dreams and visions in the Muslim countries.

Whenever I am in the US people in different churches tell me that thousands of Muslims are converting through dreams and visions. Some missionaries here are exaggerating the situation when they tell their tales in their own countries. Some missionaries even encourage each other to look look for those stories in Turkish villages where dreams are shared in public gatherings with some folk tales…etc. I have even seen some missionaries asking Muslim converts whether they remember seeing an old man in their dreams! And encouraging a form of deception.

I don’t see people converting through dreams or visions here in Turkey. I have heard some people dreaming about an old man with white beard.

Old man with white beard is common among the Muslim Arab, Iranians and Shamanistic Turkish cultures. When you encourage people to talk about their dreams they will tell you stories. But Christians should abandon this practice. How can Muslims repent without the preaching of the Word? How can a Muslim become a Christian after seeing an old man in his/her dream without knowing anything about Christ’s substitutionary atonement?

The audio linked there I highly recommend. The man is well spoken and has a very interesting story. His process of conversion started by watching the movie Ben Hur, and having questions. He spent years looking before he was even able to find a bible, and then was providentially was pointed to a small protestant church that served mostly foreigners.

54 posted on 12/30/2010 12:55:00 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("He shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." Isaiah 27:1)
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