How do you figure? I for one anticipate that a number of Israelis will become Jewish believers in Yeshua--though not culturally Christian--before the Second Coming that will surprise everyone.
Their theology depends on spiritual pessimism and declension.
According to most worldviews, so is the idea that Man is so totally depraved that God could only forgive us through the sacrifice of His Son. So what the heck does "pessimism" have to do with it? Isn't the idea that "humankind screwed it up too badly to fix, so God had to personally intervene in history to save us" pretty much the core tennant of Christianity?
It's amazing how Arminian some Calvinists become when it comes to their eschatology.
What lies ahead for unbelieving Israel is wholesale slaughter of millions after the Church is comfortably removed.
You really need to watch the over-generalizations of your opponents; not all premillennialism is pretribulational rapturist, and even many pretribs make a point of believing in pre-rapture tribulation of the Church.
Besides, you who think that the book closes for Israel with "the wholesale slaughter of millions" from which there can never be a true recovery--except, of course, for those Jews who repudiate everything that God gave us to make us Jewish by becoming not just followers of our Messiah, but also cultural Christians--are being utterly hypocritical with your mock concern over the End Time holocaust belief of the premills. Especially since premill ultimately teaches that Israel will emerge through that Holocaust in victory through her King on a day when
"In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them. (Zec. 12:6-8)Have you ever actually been to Israel? Have you ever sat in the store of an anti-missionary and talked to him to find out why he now loves welcoming in Christian tour groups? Have you ever corresponded with members of the Sanhedrin who are open to considering Messianic Jews (those who actually live as Jews) as part of the family? Do you have any inkling why so many Jews, from top scholars on down, are starting to study the New Testament for themselves?
It is because these "prophecy pimps" have been Israel's only consistant friends in the world for over a hundred years. It is because these "prophecy pimps" stopped telling Jews what we believe and what we should believe and started asking in sincere interest. It is because they at least know how to show love and humility.
You mock the pharisees and the rabbis for being blind to the fulfillment of prophecy before their eyes, but you're no better. If only you were truly blind, you would have no sin. But since you say, "We see," your sin remains on you. Like Samson, you boast in your strength, and like Solomon in your wisdom. Like Sardis, you presently have a reputation that you are alive and even growing, but like Sardis, you are spiritually dead.
So please, dear preterist pimps and postmill pimps, give your arrogance a rest, stop pretending that you will win an earthly kingdom, and stop slandering your brothers.
Shalom.
Well said my Jewish brother. And Shalom to you!
The so called Jews of this generational Israel may consider the prophecy pimps their friends but I would assure you they are not friends over true religion, they are not friends because they worship the same God, Jesus. The consider them friends because of politics, and they are just like politicians they will tell their audience the prophecy pimps anything they want to hear to get their vote/money. I'm not saying this generational jews are absolutely evil but at least they have a democratic government which most of their Islamic enemy surrounding them do not, and at least they have some sort of civil law based on the old Testament which the Islam counties do not, well maybe a shadow of it but far from it. Basically the U.S. government considers this generational Israel the lesser of the two evils over the very ungodly Islamic countries that surround Israel, but then again the U.S. government plays both sides of the coin because of oil situation, but hey why not use up their oil first.:^)
Personally I don't think there are very many Jews over their converting to Christianity and if so its probably just a drop in the bucket per say. I think it takes a hell of a lot of faith to believe the Jews will convert in mass, I think that is a big pipe dream of the dispensationalist, It takes more faith to believe in that then to believe the War between the States was about States Right, yeah right, it was about slavery no matter which way you slice or dice it but you can get a lot of people to believe it was about states Rights. The States Rights issue was just a cleaned up nice way to fight for slavery, to put a clean moral spin on it the issue. But it will always amaze you what some people will believe. It's hard to get people to fight over slavery but they will sure fight over the states right to continue slavery especially if most of their income comes from slavery whether they are slave owners or not. Some how money will over rule morals in most cultural cases if you are in love with the world.
Oh and I'm one of those few that believe this generation political Israel has nothing to do with the first century Jews either prophetically or genetically. Basically those Jews were destroyed by the Romans, a few fled the Romans but most of them were Jews that had already converted to Christianity or knew better then to associate with the Jewish religion, they melted into the surrounding cultures. Oh and I do like Calvin and Hobbes. :^), Well here I go again sucking up a few hours freeping and posting a post a day, I'm not to good at the typing etc. so I've got to keep it to a post a day if I want to get anything else done, take care.
Their eschatology has produced a kind of Catch-22 for fundamentalists. What if, as a result of evangelism, the Jews of Israel were converted en masse to Christianity? They would then be Raptured, along with their Gentile brethren, leaving only Arabs behind. This scenario would make the immediate fulfillment of prophecy impossible: no post-Rapture Israelis to persecute. So, fundamentalists have concluded that the vast majority of the Jews of Israel cannot, will not, and must not be converted to Christianity. (The Unannounced Reason Behind American Fundamentalism's Support for the State of Israel)