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President calls Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie about Vick, stadium plans (Barfer)
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Posted on 12/28/2010 9:09:50 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

Vick electrocuted dogs and snapped their necks. Does anyone believe for even a fraction of a second that obama would have called an owner to say the the same thing if the quarterback was white?

Anyone?

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To: Red in Blue PA
So running and throwing is all that matters to you. Electrocuting dogs does not weigh on your decision?

you haven't seen the hate that alot of freepers have towards pit bulls have you? electrocution is one of the nicer things they advocate for the entire race. I wouldn't be surprized if a number of them were silently applauding vick for removing so many of those dogs from the world as an act of community service.
41 posted on 12/28/2010 9:39:13 AM PST by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Both inflict cruelty and pain on living things needlessly. Why do they need to be compared? Can't you recognize evil when you see it?

Both are evil however it is disturbing that you would consider them on par with each other. Child rape the same as dog fighting? You need serious help.

If it helps, violent criminals in prison understand the difference. Perhaps you could ask them?
42 posted on 12/28/2010 9:39:23 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: frogjerk

Watch where you put that stuff.................


43 posted on 12/28/2010 9:39:44 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: momtothree

44 posted on 12/28/2010 9:40:57 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: TSgt

If you think what Vick did is not pshycopathic behavior, then you are the one in need of help my friend.


46 posted on 12/28/2010 9:41:54 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
If you think what Vick did is not pshycopathic behavior, then you are the one in need of help my friend.

Well, he hasn't raped his children yet so I guess he's only 1/2 evil according to your standards...
47 posted on 12/28/2010 9:43:59 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: Founding Father; TSgt; Red in Blue PA

The difference between pedophilia and animal cruelty is simply which innocent victim happens to be handy at the moment.

The evil is the same. It has been proven time and time again that the mentality of the perpetrator is the same, evidenced by how many pedophiles, rapists and serial killers started out practicing their “craft” on animals before “graduating” to people.

There is a vast difference in saying that since Vick “served his time” for this particular crime and heaping accolades and money on him while touting him as a role model for the young.


48 posted on 12/28/2010 9:47:46 AM PST by shibumi (Trailerpark Viking Overlord Pablo (with His Dark Yet Whimsical Band of Cut Throats))
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To: TSgt

You are ignorant beyond belief!

Vick: Dogfighting Part Of Black Culture
Posted: 8:43 pm EST January 21, 2010
Updated: 6:32 am EST January 22, 2010

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PHILADELPHIA — Michael Vick returned to the site of his gruesome dogfighting crimes, looked at an empty dog bowl left behind in a dingy cage and wondered how he ever could have risked fame, freedom and fortune for “Bad Newz Kennels.”
“This is hard to imagine myself doing this years ago, man,” Vick says, cameras rolling.
His visit to the property he once owned in Surry County, Va., where he trained pitbulls for vicious fights and helped drown or hang dogs that didn’t do well, is a teaser of what’s ahead in his docu-series “The Michael Vick Project.”
Vick candidly tells how he became entangled in a dogfighting ring that sent him to prison and temporarily halted his NFL career as part of a series that debuts next month on BET. Vick says the 10-part series that premieres Feb. 2 will show he’s a changed man after a tragic fall from stardom he says “was all my fault.”
“At times, it’s hard to talk about it, but for the most part, if you talk about it and let it all out, it kind of helps put the demons to rest,” Vick told The Associated Press on Thursday.
Vick served an 18-month prison sentence for operating a dogfighting ring. He returned to the NFL this season as a backup QB with the Philadelphia Eagles.
In the first episode, Vick openly discusses living a “double life” of running the operation at the same time he was making Pro Bowls and signing a 10-year, $130 million contract with the Atlanta Falcons. Vick explains in detail the childhood experiences he had with dogfighting and how the activity morphed from his NFL sideshow job to a bustling second career that spanned state lines.
“I really took to it,” Vick said on the show. “I was intrigued by what was going on. It kind of excited me and I gravitated to it.”
Vick told The AP that walking over the burial spots of some of the dogs killed as part of his dogfighting operation “cut me deeply” and was the moment when he “really realized all the wrong that I did.”
“I wanted to go out there and just totally put it all away and forget about it,” Vick said by phone. “I felt like once I did that, I’d be able to do that. For the most part, I did. Since I’ve been out there, it’s eased a lot off my brain as far as thinking about it.”
Vick said he’d never be able to completely forget the horrific acts he witnessed and committed. Returning to Virginia made Vick deeply consider a question that still nags at his conscience: Why?
“Why sacrifice so many animals and put them in vulnerable positions to be harmed and injured?” he told The AP. “It was pointless.”
The first episode does offer a glimpse, however, at answering that question. Vick said he saw his first dogfight as a 7-year-old. Vick’s brother, Marcus, tells the cameras that growing up “we never knew there was nothing wrong with it.”
Michael Vick said on Thursday that dogfighting was a part of black culture.
“When you grow up in the inner cities, when you grow up in the urban neighborhoods, that’s pretty much what you get,” Vick said. “You don’t have opportunities to do certain things at your own leisure. When you have down time, if you’re not playing football, basketball or baseball, then you’re looking for some activity to get into.”
Vick said he’s learned the last few years to deal with his heinous crimes and their repercussions.
“I had counseling sessions when I was about to be incarcerated,” he said Thursday. “It was therapeutic for me.”
Vick’s mother, sister, and Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer were among the people interviewed on the first episode. His fiancee, Kijafa Frank, says she pleaded with Vick to quit. Vick said when he was charged in 2007, he believed “money will get me out of this situation” and lawyers could make all the legal issues vanish.
Only months later, Vick surrendered to U.S. marshals.
“I cried all the way to the jail,” he said on BET.
Wearing a white button-down shirt and jeans, Vick appears at ease as he discusses how his dogfighting stable rapidly expanded and spiraled out of control. He wanted to end it, but never found the courage to say stop.
Vick now says he’s a new man. Vick, the former No. 1 overall pick, said the show chronicles the real story of his rise to the top, his precipitous fall, and path toward redemption. Vick is shown playing catch with his son, and laughing with his two daughters in a scene that softens the image of him as a dog-killing monster.
“I think people will see him in a different light, respect him in a different way,” producer James DuBose said. “I don’t say people are ever going to forget what he did or the mistake that he made. But we all, in my mind, deserve second chances if you own up to your mistake and help others not make that same mistake.”
Vick worked with the Humane Society of the United States this season and gave speeches at schools and churches about how wrong he was to ever get involved with dogfighting — especially with so much to lose.
Vick said he’s turned his life around and wants to show people that he can change. He knows he’ll always have his detractors — protests are included in the first episode and later ones — but he’s trying to make amends.
“It’s still a work in progress each and every day and it’s going to be that way the rest of my life,” he told The AP.
His football future is in limbo. He attempted only 13 passes and rushed 24 times in limited action with the Eagles season. The Eagles hold a $5.2 million option for next season and might not pick it up if Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb return. Vick, who said he started working out Wednesday, hasn’t thought much about next season.
“I’m excited about everything,” Vick said. “Whether I’m in Philly or Tampa Bay, it wouldn’t even matter.”

http://www.pitbulltalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=32252


49 posted on 12/28/2010 9:47:56 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
I guess the more important question is this: Is Redemption possible, or is a man to be forever branded by his past?

Vick has accepted Jesus as Lord... According to the Word, Vick is a new creation--old things have passed away...all things become new.

Either this is true or it isn't.

50 posted on 12/28/2010 9:49:06 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
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To: Founding Father; TSgt; Red in Blue PA

I apologize for that last horribly formed sentence.

There is a difference between simply re-entering society with contrition and te manner in which Vick is touted by the media and in this case, politicians.


51 posted on 12/28/2010 9:51:31 AM PST by shibumi (Trailerpark Viking Overlord Pablo (with His Dark Yet Whimsical Band of Cut Throats))
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To: carton253

He can “accepted Jesus as Lord” till the cows come home.

At the end of the day, the question is: would you trust the guy working around your family?

That is your prerogative....however, history has shown that psychopaths rarely change.


52 posted on 12/28/2010 9:51:43 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: TSgt

Forgot to add to post 49.....show me one article showing someone claiming Dogfighting is a part Of white Culture


53 posted on 12/28/2010 9:54:10 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
The Blood is the most powerful agent ever unleashed on man to effect change.

If Vick's conversion is real and his fruits (works) demonstrate that it is... then yes, he can work around my family.

54 posted on 12/28/2010 9:54:45 AM PST by carton253 (Ask me about The Stainless Banner - a free e-zine dedicated to the armies of the Confederacy.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
You say the same thing about pedophiles?

I wouldn't because molesting a child (or kill them in the womb) is many times worse than killing dogs. And, pedophiles often don't spend as much time in prison while abortionists profit from their killing.

55 posted on 12/28/2010 9:58:40 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Ol' Sparky

So IOW you are saying let’s never speak out against evil unless it is on par with abortion. Then and only then can we speak out.

Got it.


56 posted on 12/28/2010 10:03:05 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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To: Red in Blue PA
So IOW you are saying let’s never speak out against evil unless it is on par with abortion.

I think it is evil to express more outrage over the killing of dogs than at the killing of human beings. That is what our society has done with Vick.

You don't think it is sick that George Tiller can be held up as a martyr while Vick is being labeled a psychotic monster?

57 posted on 12/28/2010 10:08:41 AM PST by Ol' Sparky (Liberal Republicans are the greater of two evils)
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To: Raider Sam

I agree. If someone is released from jail, it is because they are deemed ready to re-enter society. If they are not ready for society, they should not be released.

Surely you are kidding..
Violent sociopaths are released from jails all over America every day. When the sentence is up they are released no matter what...


58 posted on 12/28/2010 10:29:24 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: TSgt
Thank you for again proving my point that you are a racist

Please show me where this happened. (BE SPECIFIC)

You can't. Period.

Dealing in facts is not racist. Get a clue.
60 posted on 12/28/2010 11:09:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Planning on using 911? Google "Brittany Zimmerman")
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