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EPA, Texas go to war over carbon-emission rules (What can a state do if it loses in court?)
Hotair ^ | 12/26/2010 | Ed Morrisey

Posted on 12/27/2010 12:41:21 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: NeverForgetBataan

“We just ignore the EPA and its decrees. When the Federal Government cuts off federal funds, Texas cuts off the flow of petroleum products from the the refineries that line the Houston Ship channel.”

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I would love to see that happen.

But it won’t.

I have yet to see anyone on our side with big enough balls. Yeah, even in Texas.


41 posted on 12/27/2010 1:41:35 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Logical me

One reason Texas has been slow to respond to stuff in the past year is because our legislature only meets every other year, and our Governor is strictly limited.

Our legislature meets the second Tuesday of January, 2011. And, by the way, it’s now supermajority Republicans after the last election. The Dems can’t even stop stuff by absconding to Oklahoma any more.


42 posted on 12/27/2010 1:41:57 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MsLady
Perry gets a lot of abuse from conservatives, some undeserved...

Perry turns down nat'l edu. funds

“If Washington were truly concerned about funding education with solutions that match local challenges, they would make the money available to states with no strings attached,” he said.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry rejects stimulus money for jobless claims

Gov. Rick Perry , joining a handful of his fellow Southern Republican leaders, said Thursday that he was rejecting $556 million in federal stimulus money for unemployed Texans because it had too many strings attached.

43 posted on 12/27/2010 1:42:13 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man
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To: NeverForgetBataan

If fedgov shuts off their funds, they should direct all companies in Texas to forward their federal tax witholding to the state to be held in escrow until it’s resolved.


44 posted on 12/27/2010 1:42:28 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: EyeGuy

Just wait. People in Texas are very, very angry about what’s been going on.

Of course, we might just secede instead.


45 posted on 12/27/2010 1:43:25 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

“Of course, we might just secede instead.”

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Let us hope that say, AZ and OK join you.

And I’m not sure that my Missouri would be too far behind.


46 posted on 12/27/2010 1:45:07 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: Spktyr

” They’re desperately counting on our income taxes to keep going. “

Not as long as Bernanke and Geithner have control of the printing presses....

(I read somewhere recently that Federal Tax receipts - from all sources - accounts for only 40% of Federal outlays..)


47 posted on 12/27/2010 1:48:02 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Spktyr
Inspired words. Is that quote from the Texas State Constitution?

I think also as the Declaration of Independence says "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Government long established should not be changed for light or transient causes..." Prudence, in other words, dictates first going for state court and legislative nullification of abhorrent federal laws, using every means possible before deciding on cessation as the final answer.

Personally, I believe that at some point cessation of those that hate tyranny and love freedom appears inevitable. But I also believe in going through all the steps necessary to avoid it if at all possible.

48 posted on 12/27/2010 1:49:09 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: Uncle Ike

That’s true, sort of. But if they don’t get the billions from Texas on schedule, that whole house of cards is going to collapse - because then the world financial markets are going to have to de-rate the US. Pretty much the same thing that happens when a big company has their largest client tell them they’re not getting paid.


49 posted on 12/27/2010 1:49:59 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: SeekAndFind; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

50 posted on 12/27/2010 1:49:59 PM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: Jim 0216

Specifically, it’s from:

“The Unanimous
Declaration of Independence
made by the
Delegates of the People of Texas
in General Convention
at the town of Washington
on the 2nd day of March 1836.”

http://www.lsjunction.com/docs/tdoi.htm

Written literally overnight in bitter cold at Washington-on-the-Brazos.

Our state Constitution goes one step further:

All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

Article 1, Section 2, Texas State Constitution.


51 posted on 12/27/2010 1:55:29 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: EyeGuy

You have too many Democrats, sorry. :P


52 posted on 12/27/2010 1:56:20 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: EyeGuy

“Let us hope that say, AZ and OK join you.

And I’m not sure that my Missouri would be too far behind”
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Oh don’t worry. There will be a few more than just OK, AZ and MO to come along. The map of the US might look similar to
the one in 1861.


53 posted on 12/27/2010 1:56:38 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: marron; Jim 0216

>and dare them to do something about it.

Well, that depends. - The President can order the Texas National Guard to take the governor into custody and the Federal courts can handcuff the Texas legislature as well.

To stand up to that threat, the Governor must have high US Armed Forces officers & commanders - who are the officers in the Texas National Guard - willing to disregard their oaths to the Federal Officials & willfully disobey Federal orders.

In addition, he would have to have the near total willingness of all state and local police forces to resist federal officers with lethal force.

In short, what I am saying is that he must have the preconditions needed for armed secession in place and THAT is nearly impossible these days.

Of course it would not come to that - The state would back down just like George Wallace did in the face of National Guard troops in Alabama.

The only things that he could do when push comes to shove is play political capital.


54 posted on 12/27/2010 1:59:06 PM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Spktyr

Easy way to get rid of democRats/liberals in the seceded states:

1) cut off welfare
2) make it impossible for busybodies to get into positions of power over others and their private property


55 posted on 12/27/2010 1:59:33 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: bill1952

You’re missing one thing. Texas actually has its own military, separate from the National Guard. It’s called the Texas State Guard.


56 posted on 12/27/2010 2:00:35 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: marron
We need to start gutting the EPA’s budget as congress’ first order of business

- First order of business is to shut down, repeal, or strike down ObamieComieCare.
- Next, go after ALL UNCONSTITUTIONAL REGULATORY AGENCIES that have allowed the executive branch to create laws thus circumventing the balance of powers in government.
- Next abolish most of the cabinet posts and departments.
- Next, cut taxes to 10% flat sales tax abolishing with the hideous IRS in the process.
- Next, rebuild and update our borders and military capabilities as second to none as an effective deterrent to aggression.
- Take it from there I guess...

Average American prosperity would be unprecedented. This would be like the Biblical Jubilee, "Proclaim liberty throughout the land."

57 posted on 12/27/2010 2:02:46 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: SeekAndFind

God bless Texas.


58 posted on 12/27/2010 2:09:08 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Nuke the corrupt commie bastards to HELL!!)
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To: Spktyr

Missouri demoRATS are mostly clustered in the Amish enclaves of St. Louis, MO and Kansas City, MO. Don’t EVER doubt the conservative credentials of Missourians. Those areas dis-proportionally slant it toward demoRATs in some elections.

It’s also the state that bore William Quantrill and “Bloody” Bill Anderson.


59 posted on 12/27/2010 2:09:08 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: EBH
Broke here first today...mods. bumped it out of breaking and put it in “blogger personal.”

It is in "Extended News" (News/Activism).

60 posted on 12/27/2010 2:10:48 PM PST by houeto (Government derives its just powers from the consent of the governed.)
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