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E.P.A. Says It Will Press on With Greenhouse Gas Regulation (Defund the EPA)
ny times ^ | 12/24/2010 | By MATTHEW L. WALD

Posted on 12/24/2010 4:44:52 AM PST by tobyhill

The Environmental Protection Agency announced a timetable on Thursday for issuing rules limiting greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and oil refineries, signaling a resolve to press ahead on such regulation even as it faces stiffening opposition in Congress.

The agency said it would propose performance standards for new and refurbished power plants next July, with final rules to be issued in May 2012. Proposed emissions standards for new oil refineries will be published next December, it said, with the final rules due in November 2012; rules for existing plants would come later.

But the E.P.A. was vague on how stringent the rules would be and how deep a reduction in carbon dioxide emissions would result.

Gina McCarthy, the assistant administrator for air and radiation, said the rules would be “cost-effective” but the agency declined to be more specific, saying only that the agency would consider the costs and benefits of available control technologies.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: carboncredits; dncconspiracy; epa; fanniemae; green; patent6904336

1 posted on 12/24/2010 4:44:53 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill; meyer; Normandy; Whenifhow; TenthAmendmentChampion; Clive; scripter; Darnright; WL-law; ..
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 12/24/2010 4:46:42 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: tobyhill
The Real Deal?

Patent 6904336 on Carbon Credits is secretly held by Fannie Mae and the DNC.
Don't hold your breath waiting for the MSM to report it
because David Gregory's wife (MS-DNC) is one of their lawyers.

3 posted on 12/24/2010 4:47:52 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: tobyhill

All of this corruption in our government and we still are afraid to say it ? Abolish and replace. I will continue to stand on this belief, this principal until the rest of America wakes up and calls for action. This is crazy already. 1776 had it’s reasons and there is no reason we can’t stand on those words again.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 4:50:46 AM PST by TheRevolution1776 (Time to abolish and start over. Draw the line.)
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To: tobyhill

Tyranny.


5 posted on 12/24/2010 4:58:27 AM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority (What this country needs is an enema.)
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To: TheRevolution1776

Right. I am a conservationist and do not mind pollution regulation and wildlife conservation. But that is not what the EPA is all about. I say get rid of em.


6 posted on 12/24/2010 5:00:05 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: tobyhill

The EPA is a criminal organization running a global scam and is tied to the UN as well as the DNC and this administration. DEFUND IT until it can’t stand on it’s own and then kill it! We need to presuure our new reps and the old in the house, first order of business, defund these un elected agencies


7 posted on 12/24/2010 5:26:53 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

The true test if the Republican majority in the House meant what they ran on.

Defund the FCC AND EPA. Everyone gets pinks slips. Sell all the buildings. Sent their (previous) responsibilities to the states.


8 posted on 12/24/2010 5:27:22 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: tobyhill
The agency said it would propose performance standards for new and refurbished power plants next July, with final rules to be issued in May 2012. Proposed emissions standards for new oil refineries will be published next December, it said, with the final rules due in November 2012;
Hmmm, what happens in 2012?

Oh yeah, we get to kick some more of the bastards out...

9 posted on 12/24/2010 5:34:21 AM PST by Ganndy (Government is the problem not the solution)
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To: tobyhill

So much for Obama becoming a moderate only interested in compromise.


10 posted on 12/24/2010 5:51:34 AM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: tobyhill

I wonder...........what would happen if ordinary people, like you and me, just started filing lawsuits against all these illegal rules and regulations? Is there a freeper lawyer type that is willing to help out with the paperwork? If ya can’t beat ‘em, screw ‘em...


11 posted on 12/24/2010 5:53:38 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: tobyhill

Oh great, they can set up a “regulatory structure” that will make building a new coal or gas power plant as hard as building a nuclear power plant.

And as energy prices skyrocket, will we hold the criminals responsible or just shrug our shoulders and think thats the way it is.


12 posted on 12/24/2010 5:59:17 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: ronnie raygun

The EPA is a criminal organization running a global scam and is tied to the UN as well as the DNC and this administration.

You nailed it!


13 posted on 12/24/2010 6:01:56 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Remember March 23, 1775. Remember March 23, 2010)
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To: tobyhill

Anyone violating the law as defined by Congress is subject to arrest and prosecution. It’s time the Congress makes this clear to EPA and other commission administrators.


14 posted on 12/24/2010 6:51:18 AM PST by orinoco
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To: tobyhill

In 2000, I attended a scientific conference, and watched a lecture by a guy from the EPA.

He told of a catfish farm in Mississippi where the fish died. The EPA was called in to investigate. The fish had classic symptoms of dioxin poisoning. The investigation revealed that the clay used to bind their food pellets had dioxin in it (some clays have ~0.8% dioxin by weight, certainly enough to be lethal if ingested). The catfish food manufacturer had to switch to using a different clay in the food.

I have no problem with the EPA stepping in to investigate and find a solution for a real environmental problem, as they did in this example. But stepping in to “regulate” a natural gas which is a by-product of most chemical reactions, and is necessary for life—all for the purpose of exerting tyrannical control over the citizens of this country—that’s WAY out of bounds.

It’s time for the Republican congress to drastically cut their funding. Leave them enough to continue their scientific mission. If their scientists see a problem that’s so grave that only new laws can handle it (as if there aren’t enough laws), then let the scientists concerned go up before Congress and make their case. Then Congress can make the new laws.


15 posted on 12/24/2010 7:35:11 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: DugwayDuke
So much for Obama becoming a moderate only interested in compromise.

He's done real well with that...

He's compromised the economy,

National Security

the currency

the energy industry

the car companies

The banking system

The health care system,

--just to hit a few of the high points.

16 posted on 12/24/2010 9:35:21 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Brett66
...will we hold the criminals responsible or just shrug our shoulders and think thats the way it is.

Most people are not paying attention and, because most people are idiots, most that do notice will go into full denial mode.

People are generally quite willing and happy to be government slaves. To change that, they'd have to first acknowledge that they are slaves and no one wants to admit that.

17 posted on 12/24/2010 12:09:30 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: exDemMom
I have no problem with the EPA stepping in to investigate and find a solution for a real environmental problem, as they did in this example.

Who owns the catfish farm? Why did he not bear the cost of the investigation? Why is it just for the federal government to take money from everyone and spend it to solve this catfish farmer's problem? Do the ends justify the means here?

Why was the catfish food manufacturer not responsible for the destruction of the farmer's property?

Why do we continue to use emotions and feelings (what you consider "no problem" or "way out of bounds", for example) to base our decisions upon? How about we step this up and use a firmer foundation for arguments rather than the fleeting whimsy of your emotions?

Look up "Natural rights". Look up "Property rights".

18 posted on 12/24/2010 12:18:06 PM PST by MichiganConservative (Terrorists don't commit genocide. That's what governments do.)
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To: MichiganConservative

In this case, neither the farmer nor the catfish food manufacturer knew or could know that the clay being used was a source of dioxin. And why should the food manufacturer be responsible? Why not the owner of the quarry where the dioxin-laden clay was mined? You can’t tell by looking that the clay has a high level of dioxin; there is absolutely no way to tell without specialized equipment that no one in that supply chain is likely to have.

The type of clay, btw, is ball clay. If it was ever under a body of salt water, it has dioxin in it.

The EPA stepped in because this is a public health issue. Its role is parallel to that of the CDC, which tracks down illnesses caused by microorganisms or biological toxins.

Now, whether public health issues are a matter for the federal government is debatable. I believe it can be argued that such a function falls under the “general welfare” clause of the Constitution. A practical argument for it is that the federal government provides a central clearing house for information concerning public health matters. I’m sure libertarians would have different arguments.


19 posted on 12/24/2010 5:26:47 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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