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To: Inyo-Mono
You are right to be unsettled by the NT, for it is God revealed to man and he asks a lot of us.

I knew a good man who was on transports in the Atlantic during WWII...he handled the frozen food going eastbound, and the frozen corpses headed back to the States. Using that great preparation for the real world provided by the the US military, he became an undertaker.

He kept a scrapbook through his long career--death becomes mundane to morticians--and he showed it to me. I was struck by how many suicides were conducted with hands in prayer, clasping a Bible and/or rosary. Obviously, many a person at the end of his rope (no pun intended!) was begging for strength from his Lord.

What does the Bible say about that?

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. --I Corinthians 10:13
If these people were praying for that "way to bear it" and avoid the temptation of suicide, weren't they doing exactly what they should have done, what would have been needed?

(Of course, here's the trick... I later found out that Early Christians committed suicide quite often, viewing it as a demonstration that they wanted to be with their Lord more than stay here. The prohibition against suicide actually came several centuries after Christ, in a financial/political move along with supporting priests who collaborated with the Romans, excommunicating priests who refused to eat meat broth, and other things that are core pieces of Christ's message </sarc>)

So yes, a lot is asked of us. But no more temptation than can be handled...else I Corinthians 10:13 is wrong.

36 posted on 12/23/2010 8:47:37 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

You have taken a physical sign and added an assumption without verification. If any argument is based upon false premise then the argument itself is false. (Professor Dan Showalter
Mesa College @1980) Unless you can show what they were praying for as they committed suicide— your argument is false.
Never assume anything ! it only makes an ass/ of u/ and me.
Dan Showalter same class same school.In my experience suicide -my own mothers -and an uncles-and my own attempts in another time —Those I was witness to as an Army Medic were most often a product of -what the Army called situational reaction. They were the extreme and irrational response of an individual in time of extreme stress.If the
suicide attempt failed— if the external pressure relieved
that individual could go on to a long and productive life.
Perhaps your suicides were praying for forgiveness-rather than as you suppose strength?


60 posted on 12/24/2010 4:52:36 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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