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To: Windflier; muawiyah
"Regarding precursors, did you see muawiyah's post #87? According to him, the ancient Greeks had a bit of expertise in this area"

I did see his post - the holy water vending machine he mentioned was created by Heron of Alexandria, I think. Heron also created a device that could have been used to generate steam power with a few tweaks; but Heron came along a good 100-150 years after the estimated age of the Antikythera device. Just a tiny fraction of what the ancients knew has passed on to us.

93 posted on 12/22/2010 9:53:27 PM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
Just a tiny fraction of what the ancients knew has passed on to us.

I completely agree, which is one reason I feel that it's time for the archaeological community to loosen up and begin acknowledging more of the unusual artifacts that are being found.

Many of the finds that the academic community rejects out of hand could go a long way to filling in the blanks in our knowledge of the ancient world.

It's time they let the artifacts tell humanity's story, and adjust their theories accordingly. Not the other way around.

96 posted on 12/22/2010 10:53:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Flag_This
There's always dispute on anything attributed to Heron. You have "Heron" the man and engineer, and the school he came from. Heron's big deal is to demonstrate the use of steam. At the same time there are predecessors to his expositions ~ in temples.

We get this same phenomenon later on with Plato who manages to discuss matters hundreds of years after his death ~ thanks to his "school".

The Chinese ALSO did some things in the BCE periods that look a bit out of place.

Transcultural relocation from East to West and West to East could certainly explain the lack of predecessors in both the East and the West.

For a very long time ~ probably hundreds of years since even the Ottoman's had questions about it ~ people hadn't figured out how the Greeks managed to plumb their columns and other temple structures. About 25 years back the problem was solved when someone found scratch marks in the floors. The ancients simply laid a floor and then drew the temple walls/columns on the floor. They then cut the stone to match and up went a perfectly plumbed building.

Still, there are undoubtedly some people still looking for surveyor's tools and detailed blueprints hidden in caves. It might make more sense to look for shims but I suspect the Greeks would have just cut the next layer of column up slightly askew so they wouldn't have to redo the bottom layer.

Periander is also someone to get acquainted with. He appears to have been a rather bright guy and he designed and built the first "railroad" in 600 BCE ~ check http://www.suite101.com/content/the-diolkos-an-ancient-railway-a24554

107 posted on 12/23/2010 7:55:20 AM PST by muawiyah
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