Is Rudy Giuliani a 2012 dark horse?

TheHill.com ^ | 12/22/10 | Christian Heinze

[Notary Sojac]

Independent voters and a large portion of tea partiers are LESS social conservative.

Free Republic is increasingly becoming a site which represents the 20-25% percent of the electorate which is hardline, no compromises social conservative.

And of course it's the owner's prerogative to keep it that way.

But that doesn't make hardline social conservatism a 51% winner on the national scale.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Agreed. That is basically what I was trying to say...I think both fiscal and social conservatives both agree that the same ole same ole vote the better of the two evils is SO OLD and Americans are fed up! This is why I believe no matter how much primary infighting happens (the republicans had best wake up BTW. I am not a republican because most republicans are PC dems in disguise. I am a registered independent voter.) Someone will win in 2012 that will truly turn this country around come hell or high water.

[Nonstatist]

Better than Huckleberry and Romney , but thats about it.

[dirtboy]

It ain't about agreeing with me. It's about agreeing with the site owner. He allows latitude on a lot of subjects, but promoting a pro-abort gun-grabbing authoritarian control freak apparently isn't one of them.

Pinging Jim because we're talking about him, not to try and call in a zot. Rudy has appeal to a lot of people because of his law and order bona fides, but that usually fades when they find out the underlying details about Rudy's battle against basic rights such as the right to life and self-defense. I hope you will take the time to read about the awards from abortion groups that Rudy has gotten and Rudy's attempts to stifle 2nd Amendmend rights, just for starters, before you decide he is a good choice for conservatives.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

Here is a list of POTUS candidates I googled. I don’t think Rudy even made the list.

http://2012.republican-candidates.org/

[Manic_Episode]

Ping

[dirtboy]

...the author makes an interesting point about the lessening of influence of social conservatives.

You miss a key aspect of that. It's one thing to be like McDonnell from Virginia who did not actively campaign on social issues, sticking instead to Tea Party basics.

It's another entirely to be like Rudy who has actively promoted abortion interests (I refuse to call it abortion rights) and who has fought against basic 2nd Amendment rights.

Socons and 2nd Amendment proponents may vote for the likes of McDonnell, but not for someone like Rudy who has actively and aggressively worked against their interests in the past. Downplaying socon issues is vastly different from trashing them.

[Manic_Episode]

You must've been hiding during the great purge a few years back.

[Manic_Episode]

Fail.

[Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!]

I wish you would put all the energy you have in calling the owner of the site like you are in the sixth grade; into something else.

[stockpirate]

Sean blows Rudy, Newt and Myth. He always has these NO socalists on his show.

[vox_freedom]

Thanks anyway, Rudy RINO.
If they want four additional years for Obambi, the GOP will nominate Rudy.

[Manic_Episode]

"I wish you would put all the energy you have in calling the owner of the site like you are in the sixth grade; into something else."

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I had gotten in the face of 5 or 6 people who got the zot on the great purge thread long before that thread and long before it was fashionable.

I find this way actually saves energy.

[Notary Sojac]

Downplaying socon issues is vastly different from trashing them.

That's as may be, and I agree with you, but when Mitch Daniels suggested that the socon issues be downplayed for a while, many here at FR went "absolutely Rudy" on him.

[Notary Sojac]

IMO there are only two serious candidates I can't possibly support for POTUS. Both Huck and Mitt are far too statist for my liking. I don't see Rudy as a serious candidate, but he falls into that same category.

Every other potential GOP candidate is acceptable to me. Unlike some Freepers, who see a RINO under every suit (or blouse)....

[dirtboy]

Daniels was stupid about how he went about it, quite frankly.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

Rudy was acceptable where he was, when he was mayor. I have no quarrel with that, if NYC selected him and he stays there. But NY isn’t America.

Same with Christie; that’s between him and Jersey.

It’s like Merkel being leader of Germany, it’s just not my concern, and anyway they don’t seem to be that bad in the niche they’re in.

But when a pro-abort, anti-gun guy wants to lead America, I have a serious quarrel with that.

[cmj328]

If you want to see how a pro-abortion Republican fares against an Obama re-election campaign, take a look at how Charlie Baker did against Deval Patrick.

[johnthebaptistmoore]

No more RINOS! Rudy Giuliani should run against Michael Bloomberg for NYC Mayor! It’s a shame that Rudy won’t do this, because, BTW, Rudy and Michael are friends (another reason to not support Rudy Giuliani for POTUS, ever!).

[Ol' Sparky]

Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a liberal journalist. The candidacy of any candidate in favor of abortion rights in the Republican party is DOA.