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To: Gondring
… when Emory University found that traumatic events of childhood could result in different brain chemistry for adults (i.e., molested girls growing into women with PTSD had different brain chemistry), it demonstrated that we're not just "blank slates" upon which our thoughts are drawn.

I assume that means that it could cause changes in brain chemistry but that it could also NOT cause changes in brain chemistry which lead to PTSD. Why would it cause changes in some but not others? Could it be the totality of the experience including previously learned values and attitudes?

Regardless, if an event can cause a reaction that changes brain chemistry can't future events change brain chemistry also? Cannot sound reasoning which puts that event into prospective with other values also change brain chemistry? If the change requires a shot of adrenaline, as happened the first time, then that also can be emotionally induced. Is a change in brain chemistry a one-time thing?

As with most things, Scripture speaks to this issue. Forgiving the perp often negates the harm. Putting ones life completely in God's hands will also do the trick. Does that change brain chemistry?

Bottom line, I disagree with the existentialists theory that we are unchangeable, that we are what we are and that is the end of it. Years ago I read B.F. Skinner's book Beyond Freedom and Dignity which espouses that theory. If true, why try to achieve anything? Why punish people for anything? Why give kids grades? Why keep score in games? If the desire is to take meaning from life then it is a good theory. It is all part of the long term goal of acclimating the masses to state control by killing the spirit.

I agree with Mike Adams.

33 posted on 12/20/2010 7:16:52 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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I assume that means that it could cause changes in brain chemistry but that it could also NOT cause changes in brain chemistry which lead to PTSD.

I'm not claiming that the brain chemistry is what leads to PTSD.

Why would it cause changes in some but not others? Could it be the totality of the experience including previously learned values and attitudes?

Maybe. There are also differences in cortisol level curves for men and women, so it could be tied to sex hormones or any number of things, far too numerous to list. As I said, Dr. Adams is ignoring so many factors.

Regardless, if an event can cause a reaction that changes brain chemistry can't future events change brain chemistry also?

I can't do a whole literature review for you--I just provided one example taken from many from a single researcher (Douglas Bremner). The brain structure is also different...Hippocampus research might be particularly relevant to this conversation, in light of the hippocampus differences between homosexual and heterosexual men first reported nearly 20 years ago.

Of course, research is ongoing. Current trials include work to look at neural circuits and potential neurogeneration to help restore structure and function.

I think that's important, because until we can figure out a way to regress people and let their brains develop again, the answer to your question is "no"...just like you can't just change the other things that developed as you became and adult just by wishing them to change.

Bottom line, I disagree with the existentialists theory that we are unchangeable, that we are what we are and that is the end of it.

That's a straw man, as nobody is claiming that.

If the desire is to take meaning from life then it is a good theory. It is all part of the long term goal of acclimating the masses to state control by killing the spirit.

I'm a scientist.* I am looking for what we can learn of objective truth (and I use that non-rigorously--I'm not looking for a philosophical discussion of the meaning of fact, truth, etc.). It's not a religion; I don't have a preconceived idea to which I must fit observations--I believe yldstrk referred to "fitting observations to theories" rather than the reverse as "fluid".

If you are afraid that the truth leads to state control, then I'd respectfully suggest your grasp of the truth is off-base. I am against state control precisely because I believe objective truth shows it to be a negative concept.


Are you a John Cleese fan?
John Cleese - The Scientists - 2008

*Note, I am not a psychiatrist and I have no connection with Emory University or any of the research I cited herein.

44 posted on 12/20/2010 7:16:32 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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