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1 posted on 12/18/2010 7:29:41 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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The Obama administration issued long-awaited, long-delayed guidelines on Friday to insulate government scientific research from political meddling and to base policy decisions on solid data.

Only the 'fittest' have 'survived'.

2 posted on 12/18/2010 7:35:09 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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We’ll see if this is just politcial sleigh of hand.

On this topic:

Federal Judge Rules Fish Study that Forced Officials to Cut Off California Water was Based on Junk Science

A federal judge has ruled that a landmark 2008 environmental study laying the groundwork for controversial water cutbacks from the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta relied on faulty science.

In his much-anticipated decision released Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Oliver Wanger ordered the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to re-examine and rewrite its plan for the threatened delta smelt.

The agency’s solution for shoring up the collapsing species – namely cutting water exports to California cities and farms – is “arbitrary” and “capricious,” the Fresno judge wrote in his 225-page decision.

Article link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/12/14/BAKO1GQMTH.DTL


3 posted on 12/18/2010 7:36:20 AM PST by CharlesMartelsGhost
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supervisor and their public affairs office.” ....

Scientists can say anything they want as long as it is approved by government. What a joke!!! This is why we still have this global warming myth!!


4 posted on 12/18/2010 7:37:26 AM PST by omegadawn (qualified)
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The document states, “Federal scientists may speak to the media and the public about scientific and technological matters based on their official work,” but then adds a caveat: “with appropriate coordination with their immediate supervisor and their public affairs office.” ....

Man, that has the ring of totalitarianism in it.

7 posted on 12/18/2010 7:42:32 AM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution! - RightyPics.com)
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I am on record as a science guy, but so much junk science has emerged that it is getting to be all but impossible to separate it from "real science."

Tom Weller ("Science made Stupid: One of the best books ever written!) said it best (emphasis added):

Put most simply, science is a way of dealing with the world around us. It is a way of baffling the uninitiated with incomprehensible jargon. It is a way of obtaining fat government grants. It is a way of achieving mastery over the physical world by threatening it with destruction.
Science represents mankind's deepest aspirations - aspirations to power, to wealth, to the satisfaction of sheer animal lusts.
The cornerstone of modern science is the scientific method. Scientists first formulate hypotheses, or predictions, about nature. Then they perform experiments to test their hypotheses.
There are two forms of scientific method, the inductive and the deductive.


8 posted on 12/18/2010 7:43:34 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Nothing sharpens the mind like not being able to get a job. /Nonstatist)
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Welcome to Chicago style ‘ghetto ethics’ being forced onto scientists.

Alston Chase’s Playing God In Yellowstone covered the issue of environmental science and politics. He dealt with political bafflegab such as this jewel: “The document states, “Federal scientists may speak to the media and the public about scientific and technological matters based on their official work,” but then adds a caveat: “with appropriate coordination with their immediate supervisor and their public affairs office.””

Note the “with appropriate coordination with their immediate supervisor and their public affairs officer”.

Same old, same old - but with the “In their facees” attitude of the Ghetto Trash we sent to DC two years ago.

Her is the best summation of government reorganization yet written:
“I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet each new situation with reorganization, .....and a wonderful way it is to produce the illusion of progress while creating demoralization and inefficiency.”

It was written by a Roman named Petronius, who died in A.D. 66.

Same old, same old - indeed!

Doesn’t anyone ever ask why a scientist needs a “supervisor”?


9 posted on 12/18/2010 7:44:40 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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RATS only tell the truth if it is politically expedient to do so. John Holdren is a GRAND GURU RAT, so anything this Marxist says has to be taken with a grain of salt. Assume there is a subversive aspect to any action taken by this Administration.


11 posted on 12/18/2010 7:53:31 AM PST by SC_Pete
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In other words, the present government is saying, “We’re going to give you ALL the scientific facts, EXCEPT what we don’t want you to know.” True scientists who work for the government must be tearing their hair out.


12 posted on 12/18/2010 7:55:50 AM PST by kitkat ( Obama: Hype and Chains.)
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After the first line I looked for your name as poster... twice.


13 posted on 12/18/2010 7:57:23 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Pablo lives jubtabulously!)
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The Obama administration issued long-awaited, long-delayed guidelines on Friday to insulate government scientific research from political meddling and to base policy decisions on solid data.

Anyone want to buy a bridge over the East River...cheap?

14 posted on 12/18/2010 7:59:05 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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Obama's 'science integrity' guidelines arrive, with a fizzle

I like this statement from the above article: "The document is unlikely to stem widespread complaints that government scientists are under pressure not to speak to the media and wider public. It says the researchers may speak to the media and the public "with appropriate communication with their immediate supervisor" - wording that may provide scope for gagging within some branches of government."

No S#@$ Sherlock!

16 posted on 12/18/2010 8:04:49 AM PST by epithermal
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It's a simple, easy-to-follow policy:

1) All science will promote the liberal agenda.

2) If science doesn't, see rule 1.

21 posted on 12/18/2010 8:16:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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This sounds like nothing but a bunch of grandstanding. It is obvious that little, if any, of the response to the BP oil spill had anything to do with science, and everything to do with pushing a specific political agenda. There is no scientific justification, for example, on the drilling moratorium.

The document states, “Federal scientists may speak to the media and the public about scientific and technological matters based on their official work,” but then adds a caveat: “with appropriate coordination with their immediate supervisor and their public affairs office.” ....

This has actually always been the case. I'm a government scientist. I either get funding to do my own research, or I join another scientist on her project. Essentially, I play around in the lab, doing experiments, and at some point, I want to go to meetings and talk about my work, or I want to publish my findings. But before I can do that, I have to have my work cleared. The clearance has nothing to do with my findings or conclusions: they just want to make sure I don't give out the wrong kind of information. For instance, I had included the lethal dose (LD50) on a certain poison, and I had to remove that information. Other than that--the last item I submitted for clearance was cleared within a day, and I didn't have to change anything.

25 posted on 12/18/2010 8:37:14 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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Under the guidelines, government scientists are in general free to speak to journalists and the public about their work, and agencies are prohibited from editing or suppressing reports by independent advisory committees.

This makes me feel good. Are these the same guidelines that premised the unbiased scientific "report" full of 'facts' sanctioning the Gulf Oil Drilling Moratorium?

In my opinion these guidelines are but another layer of lipstick on a pig...

28 posted on 12/18/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by DBeers (†)
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This is so oxymoronic. If science is to be left alone then government should not sign special laws making it a cultic realm of special protection.

The question then will be who is a real scientist and who is not? Ah, if that were the case then Affirmative Action is dead.

All your science are belong to us.

If he was real for science, he would not be President.


29 posted on 12/18/2010 1:07:51 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrates Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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