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1 posted on 12/14/2010 9:26:04 AM PST by Smokeyblue
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Obama’s first political prisoner. Disgusting...
2 posted on 12/14/2010 9:29:47 AM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: Smokeyblue
Those who advised him on to this foolish course should share his punishment.
4 posted on 12/14/2010 9:34:35 AM PST by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it freedom has a flavor the protected will never know .F Trp 8th Cav)
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To: Smokeyblue
So what happens to the second charge? Does he still go to trial on that one or is it dropped?

I hate saying this but I am going to guess that he pleaded guilty because the government has overwhelming evidence which backs up its case, and he is looking for a lenient punishment.

5 posted on 12/14/2010 9:39:04 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Smokeyblue

Look at AP’s “Saul Alinsky-type” of journalism. Never about fact, always about steering attention away from the Obamanation and his Kenyan birth.

Always demonization, never about the actual happenings in the story.

F AP.


10 posted on 12/14/2010 9:48:29 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: Smokeyblue
Per AP:

“Hawaiian officials say they have records proving Obama was born there and is therefore eligible to be president. But so-called birthers challenge that.”

Wow! This is the first time that I can recall an MSM report on the BC that did not frame the legitimacy of the HI COLB as factual and “birther” claims as “debunked by non-partisan Factcheck”.

I regard this as very significant. This AP report follows the usually MSM-abandoned journalistic principle of reporting the facts. AP reports that Hawaiian officials only “say” but AP does not affirm as a fact that HI have proved they have the records. AP reports that “birthers” “challenge” that without framing them as nuts.

Perhaps LTC Lakin got the AP reporter to read his brief and maybe pull back on knee-jerk affirmation of Obama’s eligibility. Perhaps this is further sign that Obama's protection is coming down and with the GOP taking over the House subpoena power, AP may be distancing themselves from the HI claims as a precautionary measure, lest they be proved to be unsupported by the "original vital records."

13 posted on 12/14/2010 9:53:14 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: LucyT

ping


14 posted on 12/14/2010 9:53:36 AM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: Smokeyblue

If Hawaii has that evidence of a doctor-signed, witnessed bc why don’t they send it to the court????? Obama and Holder are obstructing justice. May all those involved in hiding his eligibility go to prison for life.
If you support Obama, where would you go to see his birthplace and donate to the hospital?????
You can’t. Why? No proof or something on the bc Obama doesn’t want you to see. Obama is a fraud. He is anti-America, anti-capitalism, etc.
Nothing passed by Congress will help our economy until Obama is gone!!!!!!! He hates coal, oil, himself,etc.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 9:54:52 AM PST by charlie72
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“Hawaiian officials say they have records proving Obama was born there and is therefore eligible to be president. But so-called birthers challenge that.”

- AP

If this were true, then why would Obama fake an online COLB? Why doesn’t he show the copy he received from the HI DoH?

Miss Tickly has proven the online COLB is a forgery.

Obama’s ineligibility problem can be demonstrated by examing his SSA application for a SSN. From there, you’ll find Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization at the USCIS in Washington, D.C.


28 posted on 12/14/2010 10:14:00 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (Soebarkah renounced his US Citizenship in 1968.)
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To: Smokeyblue

The following is the passage from Law of Nations that was used as the definition for a Natural Born Citizen by our Founding Fathers:

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

Now what part of Vattel’s clear and concise Definition of a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN do Communists, Socialists, Liberals and Democrats not understand?

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2010/05/aka-obama-ineligible-if-he-was-born-on.html


31 posted on 12/14/2010 10:22:09 AM PST by FS11
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To: Smokeyblue

United States v. Lakin liveblog II

http://www.caaflog.com/2010/12/14/united-states-v-lakin-liveblog-ii/

More information here.

LTC Lakin elected to be tried by a panel of officers. The defense asked the judge to advise the members that LTC Lakin had pled guilty to violating lawful orders, and that his pleas were accepted. Neither side attempted to use voir dire to explore their theory of the case. Of the ten officers named to the court by the convening authority, nine had heard about the case; one expressed an opinion negative to the accused, and the judge granted a challenge for cause for that member. The prosecution did not exercise any peremptory challenges; the defense challenged one member, leaving eight. All are O-6s.


121 posted on 12/14/2010 12:02:51 PM PST by Smokeyblue
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To: Smokeyblue

“Army Birther” was used in the title?

FUAP


129 posted on 12/14/2010 12:08:45 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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Interesting.

From: http://www.caaflog.com/2010/12/14/united-states-v-lakin-liveblog-ii/

“We have fresh information from Colonel Sullivan, on site at the Lakin court-martial at Fort Meade, Maryland.

LTC Lakin pled guilty to all four of the Article 92 specifications alleged in Charge II (media reports had suggested mixed pleas to these offenses). The accused pled not guilty to Charge I and its Specification, which allege the offense of missing movement.

During the hour-and-a-half long Care inquiry, LTC Lakin acknowledged no less than half a dozen times that the orders he received were lawful, and that he in fact had a duty to obey them. Judge Lind found his guilty pleas to be provident and accepted them. The defense then moved to dismiss the dereliction of duty spec as an unreasonable multiplication of charges in light of the accused’s guilty plea to Specification 3. The prosecution did not oppose the motion, and Judge Lind granted it. She then entered guilty findings on Specifications 1-3 of Charge II and on Charge II itself.

LTC Lakin elected to be tried by a panel of officers. The defense asked the judge to advise the members that LTC Lakin had pled guilty to violating lawful orders, and that his pleas were accepted. Neither side attempted to use voir dire to explore their theory of the case. Of the ten officers named to the court by the convening authority, nine had heard about the case; one expressed an opinion negative to the accused, and the judge granted a challenge for cause for that member. The prosecution did not exercise any peremptory challenges; the defense challenged one member, leaving eight. All are O-6s.

The state of play now is as follows: trial will begin at 1500 hours with opening statements on the missing movement offense. Regardless of how the members find on that offense, LTC Lakin will proceed to sentencing. He is, on the evidence and by his own admission under oath, a criminal to be sentenced in accordance with the UCMJ.

Update: Many folks had wondered whether there would be a deal in the case. There was no deal.

Some additional comments from the colonel: there were no signs of protest outside Fort Meade, but many luminaries of the birther movement are present in the courtroom, including Orly Taitz and Charles Kerchner. Decorum in the court has generally been good.”


165 posted on 12/14/2010 12:35:03 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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No disrespect meant to him but he was fighting a losing battle in the wrong way. Any good lawyer might have told him to report then file suit. It is doubtful that any criminal charges resulting from him following the President’s orders of a man later found not legally the President would ever be filed. It wasn’t like he was being asked to exterminate the Jews.


197 posted on 12/14/2010 12:58:34 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Smokeyblue

I remember during Basic Training, Ft. Ord, spring 1969. I was ordered to deploy to KP duty at the Mess Hall.

Hypothetical example:

Said myself to me: I think I will challenge the validity of the Drill Sargeant’s order, for me to serve KP for 18 long hours.

I thought: How about if I refuse to pull KP, until shown the entire chain of command, from President, all the way down to my Drill Sargeant?

My Drill Sargeant was also a Native American. At points in US history they have been deemed to be not citizens of the US, or at least as I remember from history classes.

I would contend the non-citizen Drill Sargeant can’t issue a lawful order to me.

Plus, that is what my trainee buddy said, and he had taken business law, and hoped this scheme would work for me, so he might try it.

Anyway it didn’t work out well for me. My Drill Sargeant didn’t take to kindly to my demand to see proof that his order was lawful.

Neither did the Company CO, on up to the base commander.

I see little or no difference between every order issued by an E5 to an E3, and this case.

And I don’t think the military or civilian courts do, or will, either.

Lakin is a volunteer for all this trouble, not a victim, just I would have been for refusing KP duty..

My example is straight forward, and does not require counting pixels, or listening to a real estate broker-dentist-lawyer insult court officers with name calling.

During WWII there were citizen-soldiers in the US military who felt FDR was a scoundrel. Maybe that he had purposely allowed Pearl Harbor, for instance. Said soldier could have contended FDR had failed the Constitution. Certainly whenever conscription takes place, a few might asert as strong a case as they can dream up, to not deploy.

During Vietnam, many conscripts and even volunteers tried a variety of ploys, to oppose the war, and take themselves out of it.

I considered it, but served instead. And wound up in AG (G1, Adjutant General), where I saw the cases of claimed “COs” both enlisted and officer.

IOW I witnessed a lot of “draft dodgers” who did so from their “conscience,” which might impress some people.


286 posted on 12/14/2010 2:34:15 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Smokeyblue

Is that AP’s headline?


472 posted on 12/14/2010 7:04:39 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: Smokeyblue

http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/update20101214.html

Countdown to Court Martial: Update from Dec 14, 2010

His new lawyer — who has not been working with us — convinced Terry that by changing his strategy and abandoning any argument about Obama’s eligibility, he would be able to plead for mercy tomorrow when he is sentenced.

Terry was able today, and will be able tomorrow, to explain that he was motivated by his concerns about eligibility, but of course by pleading guilty he abandons any opportunity to appeal, and thus any chance that the appellate courts would reverse Judge Lind’s rulings.

The Lakin case will now never provide an answer to the questions the nation has as to the eligibility of Barack Obama to be Commander-in-Chief. However, Terry cannot be blamed for doing what he believes is in his, and his family’s, best interests and of course Terry had the courage and fortitude to put himself in jeopardy in the first place. We wish him all the best tomorrow as the trial continues to its conclusion.


537 posted on 12/14/2010 8:15:04 PM PST by FS11
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"Even before the trial, Lakin admitted he had knowingly disobeyed orders. In fact, he warned his military commanders that he intended to disobey orders to deploy to Afghanistan as part of Obama's surge strategy in order to force the Army to put him on trial.

Puckett announced last week that his goal, under the circumstances, no longer was to have Lakin acquitted, but to persuade his court-martial panel not to send him to prison.

During the review of panelists, Puckett made a point of asking potential jurors whether they believed an Army officer could ever justifiably disobey orders.

Puckett's defense of the fourth count, missing movement, centers on the technical point that Lakin did not violate Article 87 of the UCMJ by missing the particular flights he was supposed to take from the Washington, D.C., area to Kentucky.

"Was there a duty to be on that flight?" the defense counsel asked the court martial panel. "To find him guilty, [the prosecution] must show he had a duty to make the flight."

Puckett repeatedly has challenged prosecution witnesses to show where, in Lakin's orders, he was directed that it was his "duty" to take the specific US Air Flight 1123

I'm very happy with the trial so far," Puckett told WND , though his client already had been convicted of three counts of disobeying orders."

From: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=239805

602 posted on 12/15/2010 12:13:32 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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"Lakin: 'I chose the wrong path'
Army doctor questioning Obama's eligibility convicted on all counts

FORT MEADE, Md. – Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin apologized today for forcing the Army to court-martial him over his attempt to compel President Barack Obama to prove his constitutional eligibility to serve as commander-in-chief.

"I am extremely sorry for everything that has come of this," Lakin said in unsworn testimony during the sentencing phase of his trial. "As a military member, I was wrong."

...

"I didn't want it to end this way," said the 17-year veteran flight surgeon. "I want to continue to serve the military""

Continued: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=240373

After admitting he went about this the wrong way...question remains...does he now believe that Barry is Constitutionally qualified? Would be interesting to know if he's changed his mind on the core issue that got him to where he is now.

927 posted on 12/16/2010 9:59:43 AM PST by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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